[WardFive] Re: [ward5] Re: Hypocrites and Crypto Racism

Further Allison,

"What are the new vendors"??  is definitely not how you ask that question.  Your entire approach was from a stink thought process and rude!!  Why is that I have to teach this.  It is like me teaching Tiffany Bridge how to treat a neighbor who just shovelled your snow!! 

Seriously! 

On Sep 28, 2012 7:55 PM, "Rob" <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:

Well Allison,

 

I LOVE IT WHEN FOLKS LIKE YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN!!!  My father used to say "the more you stir th KAKA, the more it STINKS"!! 

 

SOooooooooo, let's take another look at your email that you put forth!!

 

Hazel,

Can you tell us how many vendors are at this farmer's market now? When I went a few weeks ago it was one farm stand and one art stand. What are the new vendors mentioned in the flyer?

SO you get it. 

 

1.  The fact that you said "NOW" when asking "how many vendors are at this farmer's market now" shows that your focus was not the Venors who are going to be at the event.  The "NOW" changed the entire complexity of your "question".  "NOW" sounds like that Imperial Approach like when CM CHEH got frustrated at Suliman Brown for not answering her questions over and over and over and over again.  He was right by refusing to continue to answer the same stupid questions again like the answers were going to change.

 

2.  The fact that you were "dissappointed" the last time you went showed that you expected more and was trying to express that.  WHICH YOU DID WITH YOUR INITIAL QUERRY!!! -- which is the point that everyone got and Mr. Peloquin very nicely pointed out. 

 

3. You SOUND CRAZY when you said  "I figured I'm not the only one who went when it was quite small".  Are you kidding me.  How do you figure that you were the only one who went when it was small.

4.  This 'new" approach is quite contrary to most all your other approaches that you have taken on issues on this listserv so unless you suddenly had a "Coming to Jesus" moment, I don't buy it and I am sure the rest of us get it.

 

 

SO, allow me to tell you the approach - The fact that you have been there and knows that it is a small Market, then the approach would have been more exciting like - That is AWESOME Hazel.  I am so looking forward to the new vendors that will be there ........

 

You see Allison, this is no different than Linda Sun saying that the Mural on the side of my building was Ugly and then followed up with "I know what real art is". 

 

COME AGAIN WHEN YOU REALLY WANT TO BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY!!  We would love to have you be "part of"!

 

Rob Ramson

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, allisonhstewart <allisonstewart@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I imagine that if I had posted a question about where the market was located, I would have been vilified for not previously supporting it. Yet here I am and I've been to the market (have you?) and I'm vilified for asking questions. Since my question seemed very interesting to posters, let me clarify.

1. I want to know what vendors will be there. The flyer says 'new vendors'. That interests me.
2. I was disappointed by the number of vendors there last time, and thought Hazel could enlighten me on any new vendors since then as clearly stated on the flyer.
3. I figured I'm not the only one who went when it was quite small, and figured that if Hazel listed the new vendors on the listserv, it might spur other people to give it a second try as well.

I do not think that asking questions or posting on this listerv is racist (if it is, then you're all guilty.) Nor do I believe that expecting improvement of a small venture, over time, is racist, especially since the flyer itself lauded the improvement.

Not that anyone actually asked my opinion before jumping down my throat about my 'tone' and 'racism', but I think the farmer's market is a wonderful option for seniors and other community members those that lack mobility to go to Giant. And I hope that as it grows it will become an attraction for those outside of the neighborhood as well.

Allison

--- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, jeromepeloquin@... wrote:
>

> Luke ... I take your point. However, I must respectfully disagree.
> Your argument is rational surely. Your argument is also subjective (
> as is mine) I guess it depends upon ones perspective on what is
> happening here. . When, as an average white man, I read the comments
> on this list serve I see a pervasive and pernicious subtle and not so
> subtle racism. I see this same pattern in newly formed civic
> organizations. Older, more established groups are being by passed by.
> The new groups are largely made up on the newly arrived. There seems
> little interest in the "integration," of an existing organization. The
> issue is most obvious in the recent Rhode Island avenue social and
> economic structures.
>
> Yes, the tone on this list serve has become pointed on numerous
> occasions. That is because some of us choose not to be quiet and
> accept the status quo. Some of us choose to speak our minds on the
> issues. This is still a democracy of sorts ... many people fear
> controversy, many people would rather be quiet than speak out, many
> people will walk away and prefer to be bystanders. Many read and never
> comment. Many are simply timid. Thankfully there are a few who will
> not be cowed by admonitions of sshhhhh. I welcome your comments Luke
> but do not presume that I will be intimidated into some form of false
> civility. The issues are too important for that.
>
> I say let there be light. Let all sides be heard. This is America.
>
> Jerry in Affirmation
>
>
> ----- Original message -----

> From: "[1]dcluke@..." <[2]dcluke@...>
> To: [3]ward5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ward5] Re: Hypocrites and Crypto Racism
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:34:14 -0000
>
>
> 1) Not all of these "newcomers" are white. I live in the EYA
> Chancellor's Row development (adjacent to St. Paul's) and there are
> many black families who live there. We also have white families with
> children and even white people who have moved into the affordable
> workforce homes. I've spoken to most of my Chancellor's Row neighbors
> and have yet to meet a single one who is opposed to the Monroe Street
> Market.
> 2) Many wealthy black professionals have opted to move into the suburbs
> rather than live in historically black neighborhoods in DC. There are
> black homeowners who are selling their homes at a healthy profit and
> leaving for the quiet suburban life. Not everyone who is leaving DC is
> pushed out by gentrification. Many people leaving the city are
> exercising their right to live in a community that they believe is most
> suitable for their families and they should be able to do so without
> being labeled "sellouts" or "Uncle Toms."
> 3) For years, the lack of development in Ward 5 was decried as a form
> of racial discrimination. That development is finally here. When we
> have mixed use developments, an arts district, a more diverse
> socio-economic mix, more shopping and dining, it will be harder to make
> Ward 5 the dumping ground for DC's undesirable or experimental
> projects, such as medical marijuana.
> I support Monroe Street Market and believe that it will enhance the
> quality of life for our neighborhood. Instead of the ugly concrete
> dorms and litter strewn vacant lots that existed before construction,
> we will have shopping, dining, and a vibrant arts community. I am
> hopeful that the enhanced lighting and public presence will serve to
> decrease violent crimes in the area.
> As for McMillan, the priority needs to be resolving the flooding in
> Bloomingdale and making certain that the congestion on North Capital is
> addressed.
> 4) The "racism" label is bandied about much too freely by some in our
> community. I have no idea who Allison Stewart is and what her motive
> was in asking her question, which seemed innocuous enough. But I can
> tell you that some people are reluctant to even engage on this listserv
> because they will be harassed and harangued and called names. We will
> not be able to have a productive conversation when every slight, real
> or perceived, is taken as a sign of racism, crypto-racism, self-hatred
> or whatever. Let's pull back on the name calling and focus on the
> issues.

> --- In [4]ward5@yahoogroups.com, jeromepeloquin@ wrote:
> >
> > Citizen's of Ward Five
> >
> > It is my belief that this Yahoo Group needs to perform a deep and
> > comprehensive examination of conscience (A uniquely Catholic
> concept).
> > We should look into our collective hearts and ask ourselves, are we
> > part of the solution or part of the problem? We need to consider the
> > entire Ward 5 community and not just Edgewood, or Brookland or,
> > whatever! We need to realize accept and yes, celebrate the cultural
> > and social differences that are the basis of a plural culture such as
> > we are blessed to have here in Washington DC. We need to come
> together
> > ... not pull apart. People in Brookland need to be concerned about
> > the people in close proximity to McMillan and the McMillan folks need
> > to care for what happens to the resident adjacent to 901 Monroe.
> >
> > The last few years have been fraught with strife and conflict. Many
> of
> > us opted for development at any cost. Anyone who used the term,
> "Smart
> > Development," was branded a reactionary. As a result the developers
> > and the large land owners (CUA, The Paulists) have been able to
> > abrogate almost every agreement made in their one-sided, takeover of
> > the center of Brookland. CUA was allowed to "warehouse," and tear
> down
> > decent housing and sit on it for years waiting for this moment to
> "cash
> > in." All of the religious orders who were given property here in
> > Brookland are now getting ready to follow their lead. The result will
> > most likely be devastating to this community.
> >
> > The divide between the long time largely African American community
> and
> > the new, largely white, upward mobile young marrieds and others is
> > growing and becoming very uncomfortable. This is especially evident
> in
> > some of the rhetoric used on this List serve here in Ward 5. I am
> > speaking specifially about the comments made about the nascent
> farmer's
> > market being developed. Hazel Thoma is working diligently to create a
> > farmers market, This is not an easy task. It took the Brookland
> > Market a long time to get it together. I know because I used to play
> > drums there when it was at Col Brooks Mansion. Only in the last year
> > or so has it really taken off. Persistence is a key and Hazel has
> that
> > for sure. Instead of supporting her, Allison Stewart asked a
> > rhetorical and pointedly snide question, implying that Hazel's new
> > farmers' market was too small and lacking resources!
> >
> > I don't know about you folks but I think that is an obvious insult to
> > Hazel and to this community in general ... there will no doubt be
> loud
> > cries of ... Oh, no, I just wanted to know who would be there this
> > week! Ms. Stewart's comment is an obvious and obnoxious attempt at
> > sarcasm, an attempt to belittle the efforts a long time community
> > activist and exemplary citizen who is trying to improve the quality
> of
> > life in this community! AND ...it ain't right!
> >
> > I'm signing off for now, but I'm not done!
> >
> > I'll be back!
> >
> > Jerry in Indignation
> >
>
>
>

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