Awesome. I will read in detail more and will prattle with you a little later but just know, we need to start somewhere. Maybe you should be proposing adhustments to this bill that will be more inclusive. On the flip side, if you were being paid to lobby for this bill, I am willing to bet uou would be singing a different tune and dancing a different jig.
It looks like your email is full of facts and I will review, but pretend you received $500,000 to lobby for this and tell us what your approach would be and how you would present your facts then.
Eric -- lets not get this twisted -- you can ask any 10 people who has read your writing vs. mine and even the ones who can't stand me would agree that you ride fences and suck up. That being said, understand, you get paid to go through these bills -- at least to see how you could use it to benefit your pockets -- I don't. But don't worry, I am coming down there to the wilson bldg soon on these bills and I will make it my personal project to peel your skin. I detest folks like you who sell us out. I sent out a picture of you a few months ago - it is ironic how close that sellout looks just like you as an older person. Ironic, isn't it?? But not really?
I will get into the details later but until then pretend you received a $500,000 check and tell us how you would lobby for this bill.
Rob Ramso
I swear you two are bad. If you had read I clearly stated that this isn't about Wal-Mart but why should I expect less from you to.
--Anyone who defends WalMart's business practices for any reason is a traitor to every man and woman who works for a living. As bad as the Unions in this country have been in the last 40 or so years ... WalMart has proven itself worse for America ... it has used its economic power to subvert our political process. It has forced communities to pay medical benefits and subsidize them through food stamps. It regularly defrauds workers by cheating them out of overtime, It is a bad corporate citizen.The senior executives at the company are, in my opinion criminals To quote a Federal Judge in the documentary, "The High Cost of Low Price Foods." "Is there something in the water in Arkansas that prevents WalMart executives from telling the truth?"As I said in my last email. I am part of the law suite against WalMart. I am proud of it. Unless and until new managers with a new mission take over the company it will always be a pariah on this nation and the world.----- Original message -----From: "Eric J. Jones" <ejjones.threed@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [WardFive] Re: [ward5] Follow Up to Give Wal-Mart the BootDate: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:26:55 -0400This yet again you show why you shouldn't talk in public. I mean one would have thought by now that if you were going continue to speak that you would at first do some research instead of continuing to talk out the side of your, you know what. But since you want to again leave the kids table, I see I have to out you back in a child's place.
First the background. This is at least the 4th time that the United Food & Commercial Workers (UFCW) local 400 hundred has talked Mendelson into introducing this bill which has failed the other times.
Now to the actual bill. The legislation was originally introduced to mandate that storea which are larger than 75k square feet and which the parent company has gross profit of $1 billion a year to pay a minimum of at least $12.50 an hour. This bill however provided an exemption for companies who have collective bargaining agreements (cba) with local 400. The reason that this is of great importance is that the local represents the workers of Giant and Safeway for whom they have never attempted to try to negotiate a base salary of $12.50 an hour (their general council admitted to this during the original hearing). Yet it will mandate that Wal-Mart, a company who UFCW has waged a national campaign against for the last 15-20 years to do so. This is of course unless they force their employees to unionize and then they could pay less. But of course you have no issue with this hypocrisy.
The sad fact is that the general council for UFCW local 400 admitted that the union couldn't and wouldn't pay this rate but that they thought Wal-mart should.
This legislation would impact a small amount of workers in the city. It doesn't of course cover city employees. It will I only impact Wal-mart, Macy's, Target, Costco and maybe a few other department stores.
It will also prevent Wegmans from coming to Walter Reid. It will also make it more difficult for developers to draw other anchor tenants into the city. All to earn the campaign support of a Union of who more than half their employees live outside the city.Further the city admitted that at least 40% of the workers if not more who benefit will be non city residents. Unfortunately the city can't mandate that this only applies to DC residents as it will violate the commerce clause of the Constitution. In addition many of the low income workers will no longer be able to qualify for housing subsidies which would force them to leave the city.
It was pulled in many other jurisdictions such as the state of MD, PG & Montgomery Counties and Chicago to name a few for exactly these reasons.
Now you speak of so called being raised as a slave, but you don't dare to deal with the real issues behind this or any other legislation. You instead just continue to provide us with massive amounts of prattle. If you were serious you would deal with items such as If it it is good for the possibly 400-600 folks wal-mart will employ then why not Giant or Safeway. Why not the folks working for DC Government?
Why let the UFCW give the companies it represents an unfair advantage? What about the fact that many of the folks that you all are talking about help will have several issues such as:
(1) Many of the folks are currently on public assistance and by obtaining these jobs they will no longer qualify and by default be forced to lose their housing and face new home affordability issues?
(2) How about the fact tha the jobs wilk still be competitive and by default force many folks who are more qualified to apply for these now much higher paying jobs which will still leave out those who you hooe to benefit (please see the previous areas where this bill passed in San Francisco and Santa Fe).
(3) Or how about the fact that most of these employers transfer employees between various stores in neighboring jurisdictions which will create accounting issues as well as cause problems in working moral as employees at different stores will fight for different amounts of pay and possibly have a case for discrimination.
(4) Or how about the fact that DC has the higher cost of starting and running a business than every neighboring jurisdiction (this a main part of the reason that is rated the worst place in the country to do business) which means with additional operational and payroll cost that stores will not be able to charge the same prices all of its stores? The same folks who are complaining now will complain that prices are higher in the city which by default will all but erase the increase in pay if DC residents are able to get the jobs.
This issue isn't about demanding a living wage because DC already has one and matter of fact they have the highest living and minimum wage in the region. In addition DC in the top three as it relates to the percentage of residents with health insurance (it is in the 90th percental).
But hell why talk facts and logic with you, it hasn't mattered in the past and never will.
Please explain to us why in Big Box store should be able to operate the same way in regards to pay in a City like Washington DC, who obviously has a Commodity -- Client Base -- and a huge population that is struggling to survive (due to unemployment and a much higher cost of living). Please explain to Bro. Ra so that the rest of us can get it?Since my brain/thoughts are not for sale, I am real open to understanding how much "bigger" this is or maybe, we just need the right people on the Negotiating Team to Identify all the Income possibilities to the Walmarts and other Big Box Stores. Like I said during the 901 discussions -- let's see the numbers so that we can negotiate the deal and come to a point where any excess is arrived at, the Community can get a big chunk of it.You see Eric, I wasn't raised to have a Slave Mentality and neither were lots of others whose forefathers were Slaves -- We would like to think that we learned from the past and also to identify the folks who get used to push the imperial agendas throughout our community!!So, Please Explain to mere humans what we are missing??Rob Ramson
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Eric J. Jones <ejjones.threed@gmail.com> wrote:
Ra
You have truly missed the real issue about this legislation. It is a lot bigger than Wal-Mart and very short sighted.
On Jul 10, 2013 9:10 AM, <tosuave4you@yahoo.com> wrote:
Peace and Blessings Everyone,
I strongly encourage residents to call and/or email Councilmember M. Barry, K. McDuffie, A. Bonds, V. Orange, P. Mendelson, D. Grasso, J. Graham, and J. Evans to thank them for supporting workers with their first "YES" vote and ask them to continue that support today. Interesting enough, when the bill was first introduced it had 12 sponsors (the support for the bill went from 12 to 8 between introduction and first reading. The five councilmembers that voted against the Living Wage Bill were: D. Catania, T. Wells, M. Chen, M. Bowser, and Y. Alexander.. I SAY SHAME ON THEM!
Community, it is time for DC workers to share in the cities prosperity! Contact the council today to tell them to support the Large Retailer Accountability Act! In addition, there is a rally on Wednesday, July 10th at 8:45 am at the Wilson Building, 1350 Pennsylvania Ave NW, before the final vote on the bill to make sure the council does not give in to Walmart's threats!
In closing, please reject the political aspirations of any Councilmember that does not support the Living Wage Bill! Also, we must galvanize our neighbors to protect our community by opposing all development plans or mega retail companies that threaten the survival of existing retail establishments in the community .
Salaam,
Ra
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