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From: "Eric J. Jones" <ejjones.threed@gmail.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Are you aware of the Charter Amendment proposals for your vote on the ballot in the General Election November 6th?
To: <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
-- From: "Eric J. Jones" <ejjones.threed@gmail.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2012 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Are you aware of the Charter Amendment proposals for your vote on the ballot in the General Election November 6th?
To: <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Rob,
First off this has nothing to do with the grand conspiracy to get a white mayor. This is a response to the multiple issues facing the city. This ballot initiative is part of the overall movement to change government for the better.
As your second question, with all respect that question is loaded and speculative. You want to try to slant the discussion by asking such a loaded queations and I'm in no way going to play into that.
As far as the conduct it will be laid out and we as the public will have input as we always do.
As far as the felons issue, it is about time. We need to work on that issue.
Eric J. Jones
- ejjones.threed@gmail.com
On Oct 16, 2012 12:09 PM, "Rob" <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Eric,I wonder when all this was thought up. The reason that I ask is that this type of legislation is like many of the rest of legislation passed or letters written -- they are for show and very calculating.1. If the Mayor was to be pulled, then Mendelson steps in as Mayor, followed by a special election. In a special election, Mr. Barry could possibly run and win. This would eliminate him. Whatever your position on this, let's look at the Bigger picture of intent.The reality is that if Mayor Gray was convicted of something, and he served his time, very doubtfully that he would return to run for Mayor again. He probably won't even win without a conviction now so let's pay attention. Our Council has never been a "planner" for things like this unless it benefits them somehow.2. How do you define "gross misconduct". Does someone taking an envelope and then returning it without reporting it count as Gross Misconduct? Is that term already defined? Can we include those who receive benefits from contracts given to Law Firms, Companies whose Board Members or Employees or Campaign super contributors are either on a board or part of the Council, etc. What is Gross Misconduct.3. Is there a concern of a Harry returning? Remember, with all the folks running for office here in Ward 5, it only takes a small percentage to win. What Harry was convicted for is done in so many ways in the Govt. Until they put qualified names in a hat similar to a lottery for contracts instead of the current way or "evaluating companies" - then nothing changes.But, there are lots of persons who are down at the Wilson Bldg and all throughout this City who are intelligent enough to figure this out before now.Hey, at some point, this topical emotional approach needs to be addressed.Rob Ramson
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Eric <ericindc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jerry,
I think that was sort of what was the point behind my post - the legislation has some serious holes in it and I was trying to think of some alternatives. What do you think would be a good alternative to rewrite the legislation in such a way that incorporates your points?
Eric
--- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, jeromepeloquin@... wrote:
>
> Organizationally, you can NEVER trust any organization to police itself
> and its members, nor can you hire auditors to monitor such behaviors
> without regular changes ... all review boards should be mainly made up
> of the objective uninvolved ... wherever possible. (just look at the
> Senate and House Ethics committees for example)
>
> Jerry
>
> ----- Original message -----> From: Eric <[1]ericindc@...>
> To: [2]ward5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ward5] Re: Are you aware of the Charter Amendment proposals
> for your vote on the ballot in the General Election November 6th?
> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:25:29 -0000
>
>
> KPW - I certainly understand your position with regard to Council
> voting on its own folks. However, I wouldn't want to see a vote go back
> to the constituents because that might cost too much money. I would
> rather see a volunteer board made up of residents from each Ward who
> would vote. Selection for the board will end up being tricky...or
> perhaps, the ANCs could get some real power and it would be their task.
> I would also like to see some strengthening on the issue of conviction.
> I would rather some language that if you have been convicted of a
> felony in the past x number of years, you can't run - this would avoid
> the HTJ issue of resigning before a plea agreement.> --- In [3]ward5@yahoogroups.com, KPW <WKPW3@> wrote:> > SHORT TITLE - “Charter Amendment: Expulsion for Gross Misconduct,
> >
> > I don't agree with this one. The other two I can see passing. I don't
> trust the council to have the task/responsibility of monitoring and
> expelling their colleagues. The council could end up voting based on
> the usual clique/group/alliance, race, politics , jealousy, or anything
> else. The media could pressure the council. I would rather that the
> councilmember's constituents vote him/her out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT V
> >
> >
> D.C. Councilâ€Â> >> upon demonstrating that Councilmember’s gross failure to meet the
> >
> > SUMMARY STATEMENT
> >
> >
> > This Charter Amendment, if passed, would permit the Council to adopt
> a resolution to expel a Councilmember upon a 5/6 vote of its members
> highest standards of conduct and upon establishing procedures for the
> expulsion of a
> > Councilmember.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Humphries <ubalt@>> > To: ward5 <[4]ward5@yahoogroups.com>> District’s
> > Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:44 pm
> > Subject: RE: [ward5] Are you aware of the Charter Amendment proposals
> for your vote on the ballot in the General Election November 6th?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS
> > TO APPEAR ON THE NOV. 6 BALLOT
> > (Source: DCBOEE.org website)
> > Voters will be asked to approve the following amendments to the
> > Charter.
> > The “Board of Ethics and Government Accountability Establishment
> and Comprehensive Ethics Reform Amendment Act of 2011†(“the
> Act†) proposes to> > SHORT TITLE - “Charter Amendment: Expulsion for Gross Misconduct,
> > amend the Charter. Each provision constitutes a separate proposed
> Charter amendment, and will be voted on separately.
> >
> > PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT V
> D.C. Councilâ€Â> > SUMMARY STATEMENT> > demonstrating that Councilmember’s gross failure to meet the
> > This Charter Amendment, if passed, would permit the Council to adopt
> a resolution to expel a Councilmember upon a 5/6 vote of its members
> upon> Felony Conviction, D.C. Councilâ€Â
> highest standards of conduct and upon establishing procedures for the
> expulsion of a
> > Councilmember.
> >
> > PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT VI
> > SHORT TITLE - "Charter Amendment: Disqualification from Office for> > SUMMARY STATEMENT> > SHORT TITLE - “Charter Amendment: Disqualification from Office for
> > This Charter Amendment, if passed, would make anyone who is convicted
> of a felony while holding the office of Councilmember ineligible to
> remain in office and ineligible to ever hold the office again.
> >
> > PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT VII
> Felony Conviction, Mayorâ€Â> > SUMMARY STATEMENT> > To: [5]ward5@yahoogroups.com
> > This Charter Amendment, if passed, would make anyone who is convicted
> of a felony while holding the office of Mayor ineligible to remain in
> office and
> > ineligible to ever hold the office again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: WKPW3@> References
> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:09:55 -0400
> > Subject: [ward5] Are you aware of the Charter Amendment proposals for
> your vote on the ballot in the General Election November 6th?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I haven't looked these up to see what they are about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Proposed Charter Amendment V
> > Expulsion for Gross Misconduct, D.C. Council
> >
> > FOR
> > ***
> >
> > Proposed Charter Amendment VI
> > Disqualification from Office for Felony Conviction, D.C. Council
> > ***
> >
> > FOR
> >
> > Proposed Charter Amendment VII
> > Disqualification from Office for Felony Conviction, Mayor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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