Rob
You hit on the head the land space is to small. Period when they had three other option that would have worked 110%.
Aaron
On Jun 26, 2013 3:56 PM, "Rob" <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:Eric - just so others know you and I are good friends -- know that any surface space being used for parking on a site that is too small for a MIDDLE SCHOOL is IMPROPER USE OF LAND. Since you cant put play/rec/sports related space underground, they should put the parking underground and free up space on the surface for our kids and community to recreate -- allowing for people living more green lives.
That approach should be just as or more considered for "LEED" POINTS. If this was a bigger footprint, surface parking (cheeper parking) would be understandable. In actuality - in any city environment, land usage under the site should be important similar to how Air Rights are important - maybe not as valuable but usable just the same.
So it is not about parking but instead, it is about maximizing the space being utilized to provide the most opportunities for our kids and the community involved.
Rob
Rob
On Jun 26, 2013 1:53 PM, "Eric" <ericindc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rob and KPW - I think you are preaching to the choir here. We all
definitely see the need for parking. I think we all want to be as
conscious as possible about the environment, but in the end, I don't
want to see form over function. Sure it can look pretty and be LEED
certified, but it also needs to fully serve the needs of the kids and
community. The school will be divided into two wings: an academic wing
and I forgot what buzzword is used for the other wing. Essentially,
this other wing will have the gym and auditorium type stuff that can
also be used by the community which is separate from the classrooms
(academic wing). The academic wing is located in the back of the school
which is where the parking is slated to go. If you are a senior and
want to go to some community event at the school, you have to park out
back and then walk all the way around the school to get to the
auditorium type space. I know these are the issues that are being
addressed but just so you understand the current state of the
conversation.
At to the windows - we haven't seen any renderings, but one of the
pieces of LEED is taking advantage of the natural light. They are also
going to use a geo thermal system for heating and cooling. The
architect involved has a track record of designing some really cool
schools and buildings so I am pretty excited to see what they come up
with. I don't get the sense in any way that would design anything that
resembles the current building which definitely looks like a prison IMO.
We shall see soon because I think the pace is going to pick up.
--- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, KPW of the Nation's Capital wrote:
>
> Underground parking should be a major push a priority with at least
two levels of parking if possible.
>
>
> Sometimes I see a parent riding his/her child on the back of the bike.
That's fine, but sometimes you get to the school by car and need to
park. Metro is good too, but sometimes you have kids in two schools and
need to drive due to time constraints.
>
>
> By the way, I haven't looked at the presentation, but will the new
building have large windows in every room. I think that is important. I
think some schools look like prisons.
>
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>
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>
>
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>
>
>
> Once again, putting parking underground allows for more Field Space
above ground for the types of athletic programs that ALL Middle Schools
deserve -- so if you are going to place a Middle School into a space
that is not designed for a Middle School, then you subsidize the lack of
LAND by undergrounding what could be undergrounded.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob indianrob@...
> To: ward5 ward5@yahoogroups.com; Ward 5 Google Groups
wardfive@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 11:52 am
> Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Fwd: Brookland Middle School Meeting
presentation link
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Bro.,
>
> Let them get their "Leed" points somewhere else. That would mean that
they would have to construct the building from a more "green"
perspective. Not having parking is a cheep and trickery way to acquire
"Leed" points. It is just as much/maybe more limiting as it is being
pushed as "green". Not providing parking options when the opportunity
presents itself is prejudicial against folks who want to drive --
especially our seniors.
>
> People in Ward 5 who do not live within walking distance or want to
ride bikes with or without their children or catch the metro train or
bus to utilize the Rec. Center or come to performances/school functions
should not confined to such because of parking difficulties.
>
> Once again, putting parking underground allows for more Field Space
above ground for the types of athletic programs that ALL Middle Schools
deserve -- so if you are going to place a Middle School into a space
that is not designed for a Middle School, then you subsidize the lack of
LAND by undergrounding what could be undergrounded.
>
> We NEED A FOOTBALL/SOCCER/TRACK/etc. space provided for our kids.
Kenyan -- I hope you and your folks are listening to what is needed for
Middle School Children -- use some of that money that has "just showed
up". If you are going to build it, build it properly with the ability to
make both facilities increasingly attractive.
>
> Hell, since this is so close to the Brookland Metro -- maybe they can
charge for folks to park and jump on the Metro.
>
> Rob Ramson
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Eric ericindc@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> KPW - Parking has yet to be finalized. There will definitely be some
> form of parking, the details of how much have yet to be decided. As I
> recall and there are probably others who can speak to this better than
> I, but the ratio of parking to something else (maybe square footage I
> think) can potentially reduce the number of LEED points that you can
> get. DC requires school buildings to achieve at least LEED silver.
> What this really means, is that if they don't get the points in
parking,
> they need to make up the points somewhere else. I hope this makes
sense
> - this is pretty far afield from my expertise. Nonetheless, there is a
> large push from the commuunity and the SIT team regarding parking.
>
>
> --- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, KPW of the Nation's Capital wrote:
> >
>
> > I missed the last meeting or two.
> >
> >
> > Has underground parking been totally ruled out or is that something
> that can be put into play? There is another enormous District surplus
so
> it seems like a million or so could be obligated for parking.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Rob indianrob@
> > To: ward5 ward5@yahoogroups.com; Ward 5 Google Groups
> wardfive@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 2:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Fwd: Brookland Middle School Meeting
> presentation link
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > All this is a ploy. They really don't care if anyone comes out as
long
> as they can say that we held the meetings. If it was up to DCPS, they
> would have attached the School to Turkey Thicket's building to shaft
the
> kids with a co-use gym and taken our actual Park Property under their
> inventory.
> >
> > Let's be real -- who the hell puts up a Middle School on a parcel of
> land with only two usable neighborhood streets to park without
providing
> proper Parking and then call it a State of the Art "Middle School"
> without a Football/Soccer/Track/etc. facility??
> >
> > This crap is horrible!!
> >
> > Rob Ramson
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Eric ericindc@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > KPW - great point actually and I agree with you on that point. The
> last
> > community meeting was held at Woodridge library which may have been
a
> > ploy on their part to engage others. I will say that Turkey Thicket
> > is a good choice since it is the site of the schooland, even though
it
> > is relatively close for me, I do like seeing some of the various
> places
> > around the ward and I do think it allows for others in the community
> to
> > participate without having to travel so far. Some folks have kids
and
> > tight schedules etc. I think there is a perception for many that
this
> > is a school for Brookland and I think for others, they see it as a
> > school for a bunch of other kids coming to Brookland.
> >
> >
> > --- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, KPW of the Nation's Capital wrote:
> > >
> > > It would be nice if the school system learned that the Brookland
> > School is for more than just the Brookland community. There is a
broad
> > list of community stakeholders. After all, Michigan Park, North
> Michigan
> > Park, Woodridge, Queens Chapel, and others are nearby the school. In
> the
> > future, I hope that salutations include more than the Brookland
> > Community. Just a pet peeve with me.
> > >
> > >
> > > KPW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Stanley, Jackie (DGS) (DGS) jackie.stanley@
>
>
> > > Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 12:47 pm
> > > Subject: Re: Brookland School Meeting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good evening Brookland Community,
> > >
> > >
> > > Listed below is the presentatoin shown at the Brookland School
> > community meeting held on Saturaday, June 22:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
http://www.slideshare.net/dgscomm/brooklandturkey-thicket-community-meet\
\
> \
> > ing-presentat
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Enjoy your day and try to stay cool.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jackie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > From: , "Jackie (DGS)" jackie.stanley@
> >
>
> > > Date: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Brookland School Meeting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good Morning All,
> > >
> > >
> > > Correction on the name of the library:
> > >
> > >
> > > The meeting will be held at Woodridge Library (same date, address
&
> > time).
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Jackie
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > From: , "Jackie (DGS)" jackie.stanley@
> >
>
> > > Date: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:28 AM
> > > Subject: Brookland School Meeting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good Morning Brookland Community,
> > >
> > > The Department of General Services (DGS) and the DC Public Schools
> > (DCPS) will be hosting a community meeting on Saturday June 22nd at
> > Woodbridge Library, 1801 Hamlin Street NE, from 10:15 a.m. to 11:15
> a.m.
> > for the Brookland School project. The purpose of the meeting is to
> > provide an update on the project, introduce the builder, address
site
> > logistics and safety (especially as they relate to use of Turkey
> Thicket
> > Community Center and site) and project next steps.
> > >
> > > The meeting will be held Saturday, June 22nd at Woodbridge
Library,
> >
>
> > which is located at 1801 Hamlin Street NE from 10:15 am
â€"
>
> 11:15
> >
> > am.
> > >
> > > We look forward to seeing you on Saturday, June 22nd. We will
start
> on
> > time and the meeting should last no longer than one hour.
> > >
> > > Please share information about the meeting with your friends and
> > neighbors.
> > >
> > > The mission of DGS is to elevate the quality of life in the
District
> > through quality construction and maintenance, and our agency is
> > committed to working with the community to create a vibrant, fitting
> and
> > efficient environment for the entire community.
> > >
> > > If you have any questions or concerns prior to the meeting please
> feel
> > free to contact me.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jackie
> > > Jackie Stanley
> > > Community Outreach Coordinator
> > > Department of General Services
> > > 202-431-1195 (cell)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OneCityYouth.DC.gov is your new, one-stop source for summer
> activities
> > for District youth.
> > > Head to the site today for programs & services for young people
> across
> > the District!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > R. Ramson
> > 3744 12th Street, N.E.,
> > Washington D.C., 20017
> > 202-438-5988
> >
> > "We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
> > (Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
> >
>
>
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>
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>
>
> --
> R. Ramson
> 3744 12th Street, N.E.,
> Washington D.C., 20017
> 202-438-5988
>
> "We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
> (Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
>
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