Monday, 3 September 2012

[WardFive] Re: [ward5] Obama campaign struggles with question “are voters better off now than they

Hello everyone,
 
I got this and for Jared sake, I won't even write a lot as there are always simple ways to test folks.
 
Jared - since you feel this way "Yawn, playing the race card ... again.  He is just as much white as he is black",  Bring some of your attractive sisters and your attractive female cousins of age - I have a few "White" friends and "White" nephews who wouldn't mind dating them  - and of course, all from good families and have good jobs.  I bet your eyes get adjusted real quick and start seeing Black!! 
 
Rob Ramson

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Eric J. Jones <ejjones.threed@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Jerry,

I don't think we truly have capitalism, we have what I like to call quasi capitalism. The fact that GMC, Chrysler, etc were bailed out shows that we don't.

By the way none of those hybrid systems work for us.

Eric J. Jones
- ejjones.threed@gmail.com

On Sep 3, 2012 7:37 PM, <jeromepeloquin@fastmail.fm> wrote:
 

Jarred ...
 
The question is too short term (my opinion) This mess is not only dependent upon America's recovery, but on our trading partners as well.  The E. U. does not have the cohesion of national structure ... they are a bit like us back during The Articles of Confederation ... and they got badly hurt by totally the irresponsible behavior of the international Bankers and their cohorts, the traders in the financial centers around the world but mainly here!  Democrats and Republicans both bear the burden for this .... BUT ... youz was da guyz in the chair!  
 
To answer your question, YES, in my opinion voters are ... but the real question is ... how much worse off could they be?   The answer is, it could have been much, much worse and right or wrong, Obama did the only thing he could.  He saved the bastards in the banking system because he had no choice.  He saved GM and other institutions.  Economics is more psychological than quantitative.  Had he not done so we could have suffered a cascading failure of our institutions (some would say, not a bad thing ... who knows) When the people at the helm starred into the eyes of the monster, they shied away.
 
Having said that, the minute we TARP was instituted, the minute the crisis was stopped, it started all over again with the Bankers and Traders.  Very little has changed and we are on our way to another crisis 40 or 50 years hence!   Here's my question ...?  Communism has been discredited, Socialism has failed in the  public view ... How's capitalism doing for you so far?
 
What do you think? ... anyone?
 
Peloquin in Oposition
 
 
 
----- Original message -----
From: Jared Wheeler <jaredw23@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ward5] Obama campaign struggles with question "are voters better off now than they
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 16:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
 
 

 

You should really try harder to make me feel guilty for opposing our President on issues that are important to me.

From: Gigi Ransom <gigifor5c12@yahoo.com>;
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com <ward5@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [ward5] Obama campaign struggles with question "are voters better off now than they were 4 years ago?"
Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2012 10:50:23 PM

 

 

Jared,
 
Thanks for confirming what I thought about your comments all along and now the need to deflect, especially if you are a person of color stating about Pres. Obama being White.  We all know better how he is perceived due to the color of his skin. 
 
Albrette "Gigi" Ransom
From: Jared Wheeler <jaredw23@yahoo.com>
To: "ward5@yahoogroups.com" <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Obama campaign struggles with question "are voters better off now than they were 4 years ago?"
 
Yawn, playing the race card ... again.  He is just as much white as he is black.
 
I have heard it all ... "even disrespecting him and the position in public." Were you asleep during the Bush years? Even before that, I do believe Clinton disrespected the position himself.
 
but a man of color is voted into the highest position in the land and many wanted him to perform miracles, become Jesus Christ and save America and the World even though the Republicans and Tea Party folks said they would fight him tooth and nail, even disrespecting him and the position in public, for no matter, Pres. Obama was just another ______ to them. 
 
From: Gigi Ransom <gigifor5c12@yahoo.com>
To: "ward5@yahoogroups.com" <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Obama campaign struggles with question "are voters better off now than they were 4 years ago?"
 
Enlightened people, especially those who follow the economy, were aware of what happened at the start of the previous century, with the need to transition into a global economy, even with the subprime mortgage and other greed based securities, job cutting, etc, knew that a US financial collapse was destined.  Economists with common sense have admitted that President Obama brought us from the brink of collapse and is rebuilding the economy.  We got so comfortable even though there were signs of what was to come during the Bush Administration, and as usual we thought nothing could happen like what occurred.  During the late part of Pres Bush's 2nd term, some began to wake up but didn't speak out because VO Cheney said, "you are unpatriotic". 
 
but a man of color is voted into the highest position in the land and many wanted him to perform miracles, become Jesus Christ and save America and the World even though the Republicans and Tea Party folks said they would fight him tooth and nail, even disrespecting him and the position in public, for no matter, Pres. Obama was just another ______ to them.
 
You wanted Jesus Christ, but he didn't run for President.
 
"Let there be Light"   Albrette "Gigi" Ransom
From: Jared Wheeler <jaredw23@yahoo.com>
To: "ward5@yahoogroups.com" <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Obama campaign struggles with question "are voters better off now than they were 4 years ago?"
 
Tell that to the unemployed, long-term unemployed, or those struggling to make ends meet. That line alone will definitely make those Americans all warm and fuzzy when they turn out to vote for the President (sarcasm).
 
Family incomes have declined in all income brackets.
Every demographic earns less than they did since the President assumed office.
Household incomes have fallen nearly $4,000 since 6/09.
Unemployment has stayed above eight percent for 42 straight months.
The ranks of the poor are climbing to such levels that it is wiping out any gains from the War on Poverty.
Cost of living, health care, college ... skyrocketing.
 
Just over 4 years ago at Obama's nomination speech - "If you don't have a record to run, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things. And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty." 
 
Call your opponent a felon, blame him for a woman's death. Hope and Change to Hype and Blame.
 
 
 
From: Daniella Gibbs Leger <daniellagibbsleger@gmail.com>
To: "ward5@yahoogroups.com" <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Obama campaign struggles with question "are voters better off now than they were 4 years ago?"
 
We're not losing 700,000 jobs a month anymore. 27 or so straight months of private sector job growth since the economy backed off the cliff. So yeah, I'd say things are better. Not great, but better
 
People act like things were great when Obama took office when they ask this question. They weren't. 
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2012, at 1:46 PM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 
What's the answer?  How does this shape up on the presidential debate?  What should a president say to make his case?  What should be the agenda for the next four years that the country can and wants to embrace?  Putting personalities, social issues, race, and liberal/conservative labels aside, what's the case to be made in 2012?  How should one frame the campaigns to reach the American/District of Columbia voter?
 
Also, aren't women interested in more or other issues than abortion?  Are women considered a monolithic thinking group of people?
 
KPW
 
 

Obama campaign struggles with question "are voters better off now than they were 4 years ago?"

September 2, 2012 | 1:09 pm
 
Obama campaign officials David Axelrod and David Plouffe both struggled to answer the classic 1980 Ronald Reagan question "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" when it was put to them on the Sunday morning news shows. Both could not answer with a simple "yes" and instead repeatedly changed the subject to attacks on Republican nominee Mitt Romney.
 
On Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace showed Obama campaign senior adviser David Axelrod a clip of Romney asking the Reagan question and asked: "David, can you honestly say the average American is better off today than they were four years ago?"
 
Axelrod responded: "Here's what I can say, Chris: I can say we are in a better position than we were four years ago in our economy in the sense that when this president took office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. The quarter before he took office was the worst quarter that this country has had economically since the Great Depression. And we are in a better place: 29 straight months of job growth, 4.5 million private sector jobs. Are we where we need to be? No."
 
He then turned to an attack on Mitt Romney, calling his convention in Tampa "a terrible failure."
Wallace stuck to his line of inquiry, noting that unemployment is up from 7.8 percent when Obama took office to 8.3 percent today. He also noted that median income has fallen from $55,000 annually to $51,000 and the price of gas has doubled to $3.78 a gallon.
Wallace reiterated: "Is the average American better off than they were four years ago?"
Axelrod replied: "Chris, as I said to you before, I think the average American recognizes that it took years to create the crisis that erupted in 2008 and peaked in January of 2009 and it is going to take some time to work through it." He then once again changed the subject into an attack on Romney.
Wallace tried one final time, noting the economy has "300,000 fewer jobs than in February 2009." Axelrod implicitly agreed, noting that total job loss has gotten smaller and that certain groups, like auto workers, are better off. At one point, Axelrod visibly gulped while trying to respond.
He conceded: "We have got a lot of work to do."
Senior adviser David Plouffe had similar trouble when George Stephanoplous grilled him with the same question on ABC's This Week.
"Can the president argue unequivocally that Americans are better off than they were four years ago?" Stephanoplous asked.
Plouffe declined to respond directly, arguing instead that the American people know that the administration is trying to dig the economy out of a deep hole.
"It took a long time for us to get into that hole. It's going to take us a long time to get out of it," he said before switching the question into an attack on Mitt Romney.
Stephanoplous persisted: "But yes or no: Are Americans better off today than they were four years ago?"
Plouffe again could not say yes. He eventually conceded, "We have a lot more work to do. We need to grow jobs more quickly. We need to grow middle class incomes more quickly."
Stephanoplous noted that Obama told him last year that he didn't think Americans were better off. "You still cannot say yes," the ABC news host said to Plouffe.
Plouffe argued "we have clearly improved," noting that unemployment was down from its earlier high during the administration of above 10 percent and that auto manufacturing was preserved. He touted green energy investments as well.
"So we have made a lot progress from the depths of the recession. We have lot more work to do. That is the question we are going to lay out for the American people. The Romney path would be the wrong path for the middle class, the wrong path for this country," Plouffe said.
 
 

 

 

 

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