Mrs. KPW,
I got a call from Helen Keller as well and she told me that Romney performed great. The debates will be good when people stop twisting things and acting like walk around with "hindsight" as their everyday forward vision. The only person that was not "objective" was Matt unless he doesn't know the actual issues and/or lacks the experience to see the twists on or refuses to identify them. He couldn't help himself as if we needed the individual reports on all the %%% of what folks "think". I think everyone on this list serv are watching similiar televised reports.
So you know, Everyone's emails has addressed the fact that Romney got this one -- only some chose to identify that it was on presentation/Style not facts. B Game is more like it rather than "Spanked". Nevertheless, the majority of folks watching knows that he lost this Debate and a loss even if by 1 pt. is a loss.
Please note that there was a lot of money as part of the "90" billion that was given for processing Coal more Clean/environmentally friendlier. President Obama should have addressed that to the Coalminers. But, when I run at folks with hard core facts and identifying twists on language, I get blamed for being too rough. 2008 was a different time where President could afford to be more presumptiously assertive but now there is a lot to be said for staying focused to the mid/upper middle Class. This is not a time to be too defensive. Maybe this identifies how he needs to tweek that strategy.
Who knows how it affects him in the swing states.
Rob Ramson
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:03 PM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
I talked to one of the biggest Obama supporters in the world who told me that Obama got spanked yesterday. He attended one of those debate watch events.
He is terribly disappointed by his performance. Now that's being objective. He will always be an Obama supporter but is a political animal who studies politics like many on this listserv. We have great thinkers on this listserv and valued opinions. Nothing like a good intellectual discussion with an analysis of what happened like the pundits in the media.
Whether Romney had his facts right or wrong, many people no matter who they support said Romney won. I liked his tie. By the way, Romney had a red tie and Obama had a blue tie, which was nice also. Were the colors of the ties by design? Were they told not to wear the same color tie?
Someone on the radio said that underdogs get more favorable ratings and maybe Obama wants to be the underdog next time around.
It is difficult to be objective when people have their candidate to support and dislike the other candidate. But I like to hear/read other people's opinions without the emotion. I heard that Donna Brazile said on TV in her political analysis that Obama was on his B game when he needed to be on his A game.
So Romney won this one and we'll hear whether his facts were factual but for now let's analyze the debate without any friction. I'm the worst because I was bored and flipped the channels until my daughter called me to tell me to watch a part of it while she gave me an analysis.
The debate should be good when candidates will really have their boxing gloves on and cool sound bites.KPW
Sent: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 11:50 am
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Who won the Presidential debate? What were the good and bad for each candidate from a purely analytical, unbiased point of view?
That's fine Matt. It is just tough to digest why almost every exsmple he used is twisted to mislead. Go research the issues. There were onky a few points that Romney was right on like the not planning properly with the banks. However the onky reason he now knows this is Hindsight. While Hindsight is "20/20", there is a reason it is called Hindsight.You are a very intelligent guy - I wonder how you choose to not see both sides. Part of what you said was either biased or lacks experience/information. The rest you wrote are just reports on folks answering basic questions which have no room for elaborating.RobRob.On Oct 4, 2012 10:52 AM, "Matt Ashburn" <matt@mattashburn.com> wrote:Well said, KPW. Saying one candidate's presence, responses, etc were more effective doesn't necessarily imply endorsement of the candidate.Matt
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:36 AM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
Let's say objective rather than unbiased. Sometimes I talk to people about political commercials and say that a Romney one is pretty good and then talk about an Obama ad. I get jumped on because I said that Romney's ad was effective, really good. I try to look at things analytically, from a strategy point of view. I look at both sides.
I'm glad that people on the listserv can talk about the good and bad and still support whoever they want. You can only improve when one knows what he/she is doing right or wrong. Don't you love politics!
Thanks, Eric.
KPW
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From: Eric <ericindc@yahoo.com>
To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 9:28 am
Subject: [ward5] Re: Who won the Presidential debate? What were the good and bad for each candidate from a purely analytical, unbiased point of view?
I don't think there is such a thing as an unbiased view. Nevertheless, I am supporting our President and I didn't think he did a very good job last night. Like KPW, I was a bit disinterested and had other things going on, but I didn't really see a solid response from Obama regarding the amount of money spent on the Green Initiative. Romney hammered that point home well. I will also be interested in the fact checking around the the Frank-Dodd legislation - Romney made an interesting point about smaller banks going out of business due to this. I am not sure about this cause-effect relationship, but I didn't think Obama responded well. Perhaps Obama is being far more strategic and giving Romney the rope to hang himself.
--- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, Matt Ashburn <matt@...> wrote:
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> From an unbiased view, Romney was the clear winner tonight. He
> brought his A-game, looked and spoke presidential, and was able to
> come up with specific examples off the top of his head to make his
> point. At several points, Obama had some trouble responding with
> specifics to counter Romney's statements.
>
> A CNN poll of debate watchers indicate they the debate made 35% want
> to vote Romney, 18% Obama, 47% neither. 58% of that same poll group
> say Romney appears to be the strongest leader.
>
> Another poll of debate watchers indicates that now 57% believe Romney
> would handle the economy better, vs. 41% that stated Obama. When it
> comes to healthcare, 52% believed Romney will do a better job, 47%
> Obama.
>
> CNN's "Fact Check" team is also covering the debate, and so far have
> focused on jobs claims, finding that Obama's claim of creating 5
> million jobs was false, and that the net gain is actually just 150k
> jobs. I'm sure we'll see more fact checking in the days to come.
>
> Some perspective: It's rare that debates matter and end up actually
> determining the election, and there are several debates to go.
>
> Matt
>
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>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:46 PM, KPW <WKPW3@...> wrote:
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> > Who won the Presidential debate? What were the good and bad for each candidate from a purely analytical, unbiased point of view?
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> > KPW
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