Saturday, 30 March 2013

[WardFive] Re: [ward5] Seeking Clarification

I hope the $$$ is worth it to you.


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Rob <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:
AMAAAAZING.  I guess that we just oppose because we are not as smart like you are -- imagine that. 
 
Tell me again why we have 600 kids homeless but we continue to fund and tax credit large developers who under the guise of "affordable" homes, build their rental dwellings -- their portfolio. But yet we are promoting "home-ownership". These places are Affordable to WHO?  Do you know that a two bedroom at Rhode Island is about $2800mth. I wonder what the Affordable Rates are?  Then 901 Monroe got more density/height but the "affordable" housing went from 10% to 8%. 
 
Tell me again why dig up a whole street to place rail lines -- do not replace the 100 year old infrastructure system, -- to install a Trolley line that has above ground powerlines only to drive antequated trolleys down the road but yet you are so smart that you can't see the lack of planning.  And, is a Trolley Line really a Priority with all the rest that is needed in our City. 
 
Tell me again WHY would we close a school that could be part of a revitaling Campus for kids in our entire city which is the ONLY SCHOOL cluster adjacent to a Golf Course that would expose our children to a sport other than Basketball and Football.  talk about utilizing natural resources. Instead of making this a campus that could utilize sports like golf, swimming, DIVING volleyball, track and field, to attract our kids into attending school and by chance get an education; but instead, you support a Trolley Barn on the Lawn.  
 
The irony in this is that you can see a Middle School being part of Rec. Center as a "Campus" but you can't see a Golf Course being Adjacent to a School and a Track/Football/Soccer field being part of a "Campus".
 
Tell me again WHY would SUCH SMART INDIVIDUALS like yourself give close our Middle Schools and then give them away only to come back a few years and take our Rec. Center to make a Dual Purpose "State-of-the-Art Site -- and we shouldn't be concerned. 
 
1. last I checked, I have a right to my own opinion but just in case you missed it
2. You must be so awesome that we are even wrong for trying to get the best case scenario at this location -- really you are so "superior" in thinking.   
 
But I guess that we are not as smart as you - and if you don't get it, Ra feels the same way as the rest of the "protesting" few -- at least that is what I got out of the letter.  I am proud to be in his company.
 
I tell you My "BROTHER" - I would be ashamed of myself if I saw things the way you see them and it is so awesome that I don't.  But -- that's because I have actually built something or two in life from scrap.  Maybe, I just never aspired to be a yes man to get a paycheck.    
 
Rob Ramson
 
 
 


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Eric J. Jones <ejjones.threed@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Brother Ra

This issue isn't creating a major community problem.  Much like most issues in our ward there is a group of vocal opposition who are in many instances the same group which serves as the vocal opposition to most things in our ward. Never mind thr fact that just across our southern boarder in ward 6 we have an excellent example of a school and community/recreation center. The Walker Jones campus works to serve as a school,  library and recreation center and does so well.

Likewise over in Deanwood there is another great example but as usual we are still in this mindset of someone is trying to take something from us.

As for your question it was a few years ago when they changed the discussion to a middle school.  If my memory serves me correctly it was supposed to at fir be just an arts school and then the middle school came along after the constant push and discussions about ward 5 not having one.

On Mar 30, 2013 4:00 PM, <tosuave4you@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

As Salaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (peace, mercy, and blessings be upon from Allah)

Neighbors, I read most of the circulating emails regarding the pros and cons on the proposed expansion of the Brookland E.S., however no one elucidated how the "Brookland Elementary" renovation project transitioned into the "Brookland Middle School" debate! It has always been my understanding that the matriculating students were "temporarily" reassigned to Bunker Hill Elementary until Brookland Elementary was completely renovated and the elementary students would "return" to their original school. I try to get to the core of issues, therefore can someone please identify the individual(s) who pushed this new agenda/proposal on the community because I do not recall a "Middle School" being an option to justifying closing Brookland Elementary.

PS: Since this issue has created a major community problem, lets collaborate and direct our energy into reopening Backus Jr. High as a Science and Technology Middle School.

Salaam,
Ra

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AMAAAAZING.  I guess that we just oppose because we are not as smart like you are -- imagine that. 
 
Tell me again why we have 600 kids homeless but we continue to fund and tax credit large developers who under the guise of "affordable" homes, build their rental dwellings -- their portfolio. But yet we are promoting "home-ownership". These places are Affordable to WHO?  Do you know that a two bedroom at Rhode Island is about $2800mth. I wonder what the Affordable Rates are?  Then 901 Monroe got more density/height but the "affordable" housing went from 10% to 8%. 
 
Tell me again why dig up a whole street to place rail lines -- do not replace the 100 year old infrastructure system, -- to install a Trolley line that has above ground powerlines only to drive antequated trolleys down the road but yet you are so smart that you can't see the lack of planning.  And, is a Trolley Line really a Priority with all the rest that is needed in our City. 
 
Tell me again WHY would we close a school that could be part of a revitaling Campus for kids in our entire city which is the ONLY SCHOOL cluster adjacent to a Golf Course that would expose our children to a sport other than Basketball and Football.  talk about utilizing natural resources. Instead of making this a campus that could utilize sports like golf, swimming, DIVING volleyball, track and field, to attract our kids into attending school and by chance get an education; but instead, you support a Trolley Barn on the Lawn.  
 
The irony in this is that you can see a Middle School being part of Rec. Center as a "Campus" but you can't see a Golf Course being Adjacent to a School and a Track/Football/Soccer field being part of a "Campus".
 
Tell me again WHY would SUCH SMART INDIVIDUALS like yourself give close our Middle Schools and then give them away only to come back a few years and take our Rec. Center to make a Dual Purpose "State-of-the-Art Site -- and we shouldn't be concerned. 
 
1. last I checked, I have a right to my own opinion but just in case you missed it
2. You must be so awesome that we are even wrong for trying to get the best case scenario at this location -- really you are so "superior" in thinking.   
 
But I guess that we are not as smart as you - and if you don't get it, Ra feels the same way as the rest of the "protesting" few -- at least that is what I got out of the letter.  I am proud to be in his company.
 
I tell you My "BROTHER" - I would be ashamed of myself if I saw things the way you see them and it is so awesome that I don't.  But -- that's because I have actually built something or two in life from scrap.  Maybe, I just never aspired to be a yes man to get a paycheck.    
 
Rob Ramson
 
 
 


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Eric J. Jones <ejjones.threed@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Brother Ra

This issue isn't creating a major community problem.  Much like most issues in our ward there is a group of vocal opposition who are in many instances the same group which serves as the vocal opposition to most things in our ward. Never mind thr fact that just across our southern boarder in ward 6 we have an excellent example of a school and community/recreation center. The Walker Jones campus works to serve as a school,  library and recreation center and does so well.

Likewise over in Deanwood there is another great example but as usual we are still in this mindset of someone is trying to take something from us.

As for your question it was a few years ago when they changed the discussion to a middle school.  If my memory serves me correctly it was supposed to at fir be just an arts school and then the middle school came along after the constant push and discussions about ward 5 not having one.

On Mar 30, 2013 4:00 PM, <tosuave4you@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

As Salaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (peace, mercy, and blessings be upon from Allah)

Neighbors, I read most of the circulating emails regarding the pros and cons on the proposed expansion of the Brookland E.S., however no one elucidated how the "Brookland Elementary" renovation project transitioned into the "Brookland Middle School" debate! It has always been my understanding that the matriculating students were "temporarily" reassigned to Bunker Hill Elementary until Brookland Elementary was completely renovated and the elementary students would "return" to their original school. I try to get to the core of issues, therefore can someone please identify the individual(s) who pushed this new agenda/proposal on the community because I do not recall a "Middle School" being an option to justifying closing Brookland Elementary.

PS: Since this issue has created a major community problem, lets collaborate and direct our energy into reopening Backus Jr. High as a Science and Technology Middle School.

Salaam,
Ra

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That's my point -- WE do have a better chance of Convincing God than getting DCPS and the Govt to make changes !!! - but I guess that you didn't get it. 
 
And this is not a debate -- this is just identifying the issues at hand.  If you or anyone else don't agree, that's on you.  I have made enough mistakes to have learned when plans are limiting.  Because of who I am as a person, I understand that I don't have to negotiate from a BEGGAR"S position for something that is already ours -- like Turkey Thicket. 
 
Last I checked, if you want something of mine, you either pay the price, steal it or I give it to you.  Those are the choices that we need to approach this from. 
 
PLEASE GET THIS -- THEY STOLE AWAY MIDDLE SCHOOLS FROM OUR CHILDREN and inconvenienced their parents  IN WARD 5.  THIS MIDDLE SCHOOL IS OWED TO OUR KIDS.  THEY SHOULD NOT BE STEALING AWAY FROM OUR COMMUNITY (THE REC. CENTER) TO RETURN SOMETHING THAT THEY STOLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.  PLEASE GET THAT. 
 
They need to return all the schools with apologies. In addition, they need to pay the necessary $$ to free up as much space for the Rec. Center to be as separate as possible if they want to put a Middle School here. 
 
Please stop acting like we are some beggers -- these services are owed to us as a community.  THIS IS SO AMAZING. That is what Kenyan should be negotiating not for something like "North Capitol" Street and Rhode Island Ave that they were going to fund in the first place. 
 
People should learn to claim things that they actually fought for not things that are were going to be given in the first place.
 
  
Rob


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 

We don't convince God to do anything.  I'll let you debate with the others.  I look forward to seeing a promising middle school in the Upper Northeast corridor.


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Subject: Re: [ward5] So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites,

 
Furthermore, why does it seem that it would be easier to convince God to change the climate in the North Pole or Antarctica than get DCPS, the Govt with Developers influence to change/amend its plans in Ward 5?
 
I thought that this was a Democracy but seems like I didn't understand the Dictatorship aspect of Democracy. My book must have been missing those chapters.
 
Rob 


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Rob <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:
Taking over the Rec. Center to do this should not be the option. I support having a middle school but with ALL that they have proposed thus far says that they are approaching this in the most SELFISH manner.
When you build anything in a city, you have to accommodate for the lack of land bu putting parking underground -- especially when one side of property is main thorofare, two sides are residential and the forth does not exist.
That is to start with. Then, we have not identified the allocation of our budgets and if the property will now be under DCPS control. When Kenny Diggs identified Turkey Thicket as "the tennant" - I am even more concerned.
Do not get fooled by "Trojan Horses" like folks usually do with people dressed in suits/soothing words. There is a lot to be uncovered here.
Trust when I alert you to this. More beauty and more people means more money for me. So ask yourself why I warn of all that I do. I sure don't make friends with the people in "charge". One thing for sure - folks/they can't say that I don't care about kids.
THIS SMELLS WRONG FROM THE NON-DISCLOSURE FOR OVER A YEAR ABOUT CO-LOCATION TO TWO PRESENTATIONS FOCUSSED ON CO-ATTACHED. THERE IS MORE TO MEET THE EYE THAN CHOOSING A SITE.
WE SHOULD HAVE A COLLECTIVE PLANNING MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECH TO DESIGN THIS IF FOLKS REALLY HAVE TO PUT A SQUARE PEG INTO TOO SMALL OF A TRIANGULAR SPACE.
And once again - they really should speak to the ownera of the 3 houses on yhe south side Shepherd. I have spoken to two owners and while they were not thinking of selling, they did not say no. The 3rd is a renter.
If we are going to do it, let's stretch the possibilities and retain ownrship/control of our Rec. Center.
Rob Ramson
On Mar 30, 2013 12:29 PM, "KPW" <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 
It's not about the center of the ward.  It's about replacing a service we lost.  We lost two middle schools in this area and we want one back in this area.  Brookland meets this criteria.  The other sites are off the table, so we move forward some kind of way.
 
So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites, or keeping our elementary school at Marshall and Utilizing Langdon which has space to build -- which is closer to the center where our kids will be arriving for middle school (as Brookland is almost in Ward 4) how about,



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It is a Shame that this the way it is. 
 
To quote Gandhi, 'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.'
"Win" at what cost?  It is a shame that we still don't have an analysis of what was lacking at each school (an analysis) and what it would have taken to keep some of the schools open.
 
And because DCPS has such a great track record of closing schools, changing things, drastically increasing proficiency. Heck -- the planning is so awesome that we kept buildings in positions so that we don't have to build a middle school
that we "suddenly" needed on top of a Rec. Center. 
 
In other words, close schools, give away the best locations for our Middle Schools then within a few years - guide hungry blind mice with "middle school cheese" to take over our Rec. Center -- so we have to be guilted with "it's about the kids". Well, I am here to tell you that it ain't about the "kids".
 
So -- We need a Middle School and they agree it is a Priority
So -- We have funding for a Middle School
So -- We have funding for Turkey Thicket in past budget and new budget.
So -- We have playground money -- added money specific to Playground.
 
So -- Why can't we have a Separate State-of-the-Art Middle School at a different location and a Separate State-of-the-Art Rec Center.  That's being about "KIDS" as well as Community.
 
Show us the other locations that we supposedly "chose" from and see if there is a better fit before going ahead. 
 
Like a good neighbor - state farm (DCPS) is here -- and I am a "French Model". For once, it would be nice that they and the Mayor/Economic Development are not 1000% right and we are all "too ________ stupid to understand".
 
So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites, or keeping our elementary school at Marshall and Utilizing Langdon which has space to build -- which is closer to the center where our kids will be arriving for middle school (as Brookland is almost in Ward 4) how about,
 
a. Emery over on the back side of McKinley?
b. Hamilton -- already has tennis and basketball courts, baseball field and a Track -- that is perfect and on the Redline Metro.
 
2. What about placing a Middle School on the McMillian Site later for more kids when the time arises in return for all that funding that we are doing for that site.  That is were we can include a "School/Park" for the Community. 
 
I don't get why certain folks would support for an extended Rec Center to take over Shaed Elementary but want to develop a Middle School to decrease/limit the use of Turkey Thicket.
 
Perplexed -- but please give us the option of choosing from the sites considered again since we have funds to still make Turkey Thicket "beautiful" and have a nice playground.
 
Rob Ramson
 

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[WardFive] Re: Moving forward--Brookland Middle School and Turkey Thicket Recreation Center Re: [ward5] So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites,

"I see the plans as workable and seek to take it to the next level."  While I think other sites are possible but they don't want to explore that for whatever reason,  isn't what I am saying EXACTLY what you just said.  
 
I am only asking that we get the MOU done first and that they put the necessary money into facilitation all the possible usable land to be USABLE --- LIKE undergrounding the parking for the School and Rec. Center instead of having to take away play/rec surface area from being used for just that.
 
Also, I don't want DCPS to take ownership of this land because when you and I DIE, they might be selling, leasing, developing this as well.
 
Rob 


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:34 PM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 

We see things differently and operate differently.  I see the plans as workable and seek to take it to the next level.  I like to see how we can work around obstacles.  A school was there before and it worked.  Let's figure out how to replace that school and make a newer one work.  There will be some give and take.  I see possibilities.  A school can work on the grounds if people are willing.  I would have preferred Backus, but that's out.  Taft would have been good but that is out.  I like this area, though others may prefer another place.  My kids traveled across the city to school so I know what that is like while I walked to junior high.  I think we can have a great middle school in Upper Northeast while taking community stakeholders concerns in consideration when doing the design.  I applaud the Ward 5 Council on Education, Councilmember McDuffie and other Councilmembers, Ward 5 School Board member Mark Jones, and others for trying to make sure that Ward 5 gets a quality middle school in this area.  Two more schools are expected in other areas of the ward.  Like you, Rob, I don't think one person has all the answers and look to see what other ideas should be considered.



Option I




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Subject: Which of the three Standalone options do you prefer for the TurkeyThicket/Brookland Middle School project? What revisions to the plans do you suggest?

Which of the three Standalone options do you prefer for the TurkeyThicket/Brookland Middle School project?  What revisions to the plans do you suggest?  Let your voice be heard as this project is now on the fast track.  Information is provided below to assist in your decision making and to contact the D.C. Department of General Services.  Note that the Ward 5 Council on Education has a prominent role in this project and may be a good resource for information and mobilization.  Additionally, Councilmember McDuffie has a leading role and Councilmember Orange attended the Saturday meeting.

KPW


Three options:

  1. Stand-Alone School At South Point of Park
  2. Stand-Alone School on Expanded Existing School Site
  3. Stand-Alone School on  Existing School Site


The options and the entire presentation made Saturday, March 23rd can be found at this link:



The three standalone options are also copied below for your convenience.

Option I



Option II


Option III




From the handout, here is a link with the options that have been considered.

http://www.slideshare.net/dgscomm/brookand-tt-community-meeting-slides-2013-0314



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Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Moving forward--Brookland Middle School and Turkey Thicket Recreation Center Re: [ward5] So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites,

 
Mrs. KPW -- Why do you and others keep putting the Cart infront of the Donkey.  We need to understand the utilization of Turkey Thicket by DCPS before we accept them trying to slip in under the common theme "the community chose this". 
 
You wouldn't accept picking one of three plans for the remodelling of your house if your neighbor decided to build on his property to include your yard without getting all the details.  If I am correct, it wouldn't matter if they made your land the most beautiful if you couldn't utilize it.  Schools have rules and regulations that superceed everything. I keep sharing that this thing has not been fully disclosed from the start and has lots more to be disclosed.
 
Am I missing something here or are you pushing to get folks to chose blindly?  We need a planning session with the Architech as a community to maximize the site planning and Why can't we have all the answers including the MOU before we pick the final design and push the "go" button -- what's the rush?


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 
It will be interesting to see what other people in the ward think about this project.  It's taken a while to get to this point and it appears a lot of work has gone into the planning.  Citizens need to provide their comments to take it to the next level.   

KPW


Option I




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To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:43 pm
Subject: Which of the three Standalone options do you prefer for the TurkeyThicket/Brookland Middle School project? What revisions to the plans do you suggest?

Which of the three Standalone options do you prefer for the TurkeyThicket/Brookland Middle School project?  What revisions to the plans do you suggest?  Let your voice be heard as this project is now on the fast track.  Information is provided below to assist in your decision making and to contact the D.C. Department of General Services.  Note that the Ward 5 Council on Education has a prominent role in this project and may be a good resource for information and mobilization.  Additionally, Councilmember McDuffie has a leading role and Councilmember Orange attended the Saturday meeting.

KPW


Three options (excluding the co-location/connected option)Tur:

  1. Stand-Alone School At South Point of Park
  2. Stand-Alone School on Expanded Existing School Site
  3. Stand-Alone School on  Existing School Site


The options and the entire presentation made Saturday, March 23rd can be found at this link:



The three standalone options are also copied below for your convenience.

Option I



Option II


Option III




From the handout, here is a link with the options that have been considered.

http://www.slideshare.net/dgscomm/brookand-tt-community-meeting-slides-2013-0314



-----Original Message-----
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To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ward5] So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites,

 
Taking over the Rec. Center to do this should not be the option. I support having a middle school but with ALL that they have proposed thus far says that they are approaching this in the most SELFISH manner.
When you build anything in a city, you have to accommodate for the lack of land bu putting parking underground -- especially when one side of property is main thorofare, two sides are residential and the forth does not exist.
That is to start with. Then, we have not identified the allocation of our budgets and if the property will now be under DCPS control. When Kenny Diggs identified Turkey Thicket as "the tennant" - I am even more concerned.
Do not get fooled by "Trojan Horses" like folks usually do with people dressed in suits/soothing words. There is a lot to be uncovered here.
Trust when I alert you to this. More beauty and more people means more money for me. So ask yourself why I warn of all that I do. I sure don't make friends with the people in "charge". One thing for sure - folks/they can't say that I don't care about kids.
THIS SMELLS WRONG FROM THE NON-DISCLOSURE FOR OVER A YEAR ABOUT CO-LOCATION TO TWO PRESENTATIONS FOCUSSED ON CO-ATTACHED. THERE IS MORE TO MEET THE EYE THAN CHOOSING A SITE.
WE SHOULD HAVE A COLLECTIVE PLANNING MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECH TO DESIGN THIS IF FOLKS REALLY HAVE TO PUT A SQUARE PEG INTO TOO SMALL OF A TRIANGULAR SPACE.
And once again - they really should speak to the ownera of the 3 houses on yhe south side Shepherd. I have spoken to two owners and while they were not thinking of selling, they did not say no. The 3rd is a renter.
If we are going to do it, let's stretch the possibilities and retain ownrship/control of our Rec. Center.
Rob Ramson
On Mar 30, 2013 12:29 PM, "KPW" <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 
It's not about the center of the ward.  It's about replacing a service we lost.  We lost two middle schools in this area and we want one back in this area.  Brookland meets this criteria.  The other sites are off the table, so we move forward some kind of way.
 
So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites, or keeping our elementary school at Marshall and Utilizing Langdon which has space to build -- which is closer to the center where our kids will be arriving for middle school (as Brookland is almost in Ward 4) how about,



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It is a Shame that this the way it is. 
 
To quote Gandhi, 'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.'
"Win" at what cost?  It is a shame that we still don't have an analysis of what was lacking at each school (an analysis) and what it would have taken to keep some of the schools open.
 
And because DCPS has such a great track record of closing schools, changing things, drastically increasing proficiency. Heck -- the planning is so awesome that we kept buildings in positions so that we don't have to build a middle school
that we "suddenly" needed on top of a Rec. Center. 
 
In other words, close schools, give away the best locations for our Middle Schools then within a few years - guide hungry blind mice with "middle school cheese" to take over our Rec. Center -- so we have to be guilted with "it's about the kids". Well, I am here to tell you that it ain't about the "kids".
 
So -- We need a Middle School and they agree it is a Priority
So -- We have funding for a Middle School
So -- We have funding for Turkey Thicket in past budget and new budget.
So -- We have playground money -- added money specific to Playground.
 
So -- Why can't we have a Separate State-of-the-Art Middle School at a different location and a Separate State-of-the-Art Rec Center.  That's being about "KIDS" as well as Community.
 
Show us the other locations that we supposedly "chose" from and see if there is a better fit before going ahead. 
 
Like a good neighbor - state farm (DCPS) is here -- and I am a "French Model". For once, it would be nice that they and the Mayor/Economic Development are not 1000% right and we are all "too ________ stupid to understand".
 
So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites, or keeping our elementary school at Marshall and Utilizing Langdon which has space to build -- which is closer to the center where our kids will be arriving for middle school (as Brookland is almost in Ward 4) how about,
 
a. Emery over on the back side of McKinley?
b. Hamilton -- already has tennis and basketball courts, baseball field and a Track -- that is perfect and on the Redline Metro.
 
2. What about placing a Middle School on the McMillian Site later for more kids when the time arises in return for all that funding that we are doing for that site.  That is were we can include a "School/Park" for the Community. 
 
I don't get why certain folks would support for an extended Rec Center to take over Shaed Elementary but want to develop a Middle School to decrease/limit the use of Turkey Thicket.
 
Perplexed -- but please give us the option of choosing from the sites considered again since we have funds to still make Turkey Thicket "beautiful" and have a nice playground.
 
Rob Ramson
 

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[WardFive] Re: Moving forward--Brookland Middle School and Turkey Thicket Recreation Center Re: [ward5] So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites,

Mrs. KPW -- Why do you and others keep putting the Cart infront of the Donkey.  We need to understand the utilization of Turkey Thicket by DCPS before we accept them trying to slip in under the common theme "the community chose this". 
 
You wouldn't accept picking one of three plans for the remodelling of your house if your neighbor decided to build on his property to include your yard without getting all the details.  If I am correct, it wouldn't matter if they made your land the most beautiful if you couldn't utilize it.  Schools have rules and regulations that superceed everything. I keep sharing that this thing has not been fully disclosed from the start and has lots more to be disclosed.
 
Am I missing something here or are you pushing to get folks to chose blindly?  We need a planning session with the Architech as a community to maximize the site planning and Why can't we have all the answers including the MOU before we pick the final design and push the "go" button -- what's the rush?


On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 

It will be interesting to see what other people in the ward think about this project.  It's taken a while to get to this point and it appears a lot of work has gone into the planning.  Citizens need to provide their comments to take it to the next level.   


KPW


Option I




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Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:43 pm
Subject: Which of the three Standalone options do you prefer for the TurkeyThicket/Brookland Middle School project? What revisions to the plans do you suggest?

Which of the three Standalone options do you prefer for the TurkeyThicket/Brookland Middle School project?  What revisions to the plans do you suggest?  Let your voice be heard as this project is now on the fast track.  Information is provided below to assist in your decision making and to contact the D.C. Department of General Services.  Note that the Ward 5 Council on Education has a prominent role in this project and may be a good resource for information and mobilization.  Additionally, Councilmember McDuffie has a leading role and Councilmember Orange attended the Saturday meeting.

KPW


Three options (excluding the co-location/connected option)Tur:

  1. Stand-Alone School At South Point of Park
  2. Stand-Alone School on Expanded Existing School Site
  3. Stand-Alone School on  Existing School Site


The options and the entire presentation made Saturday, March 23rd can be found at this link:



The three standalone options are also copied below for your convenience.

Option I



Option II


Option III




From the handout, here is a link with the options that have been considered.

http://www.slideshare.net/dgscomm/brookand-tt-community-meeting-slides-2013-0314



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Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ward5] So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites,

 
Taking over the Rec. Center to do this should not be the option. I support having a middle school but with ALL that they have proposed thus far says that they are approaching this in the most SELFISH manner.
When you build anything in a city, you have to accommodate for the lack of land bu putting parking underground -- especially when one side of property is main thorofare, two sides are residential and the forth does not exist.
That is to start with. Then, we have not identified the allocation of our budgets and if the property will now be under DCPS control. When Kenny Diggs identified Turkey Thicket as "the tennant" - I am even more concerned.
Do not get fooled by "Trojan Horses" like folks usually do with people dressed in suits/soothing words. There is a lot to be uncovered here.
Trust when I alert you to this. More beauty and more people means more money for me. So ask yourself why I warn of all that I do. I sure don't make friends with the people in "charge". One thing for sure - folks/they can't say that I don't care about kids.
THIS SMELLS WRONG FROM THE NON-DISCLOSURE FOR OVER A YEAR ABOUT CO-LOCATION TO TWO PRESENTATIONS FOCUSSED ON CO-ATTACHED. THERE IS MORE TO MEET THE EYE THAN CHOOSING A SITE.
WE SHOULD HAVE A COLLECTIVE PLANNING MEETING WITH THE ARCHITECH TO DESIGN THIS IF FOLKS REALLY HAVE TO PUT A SQUARE PEG INTO TOO SMALL OF A TRIANGULAR SPACE.
And once again - they really should speak to the ownera of the 3 houses on yhe south side Shepherd. I have spoken to two owners and while they were not thinking of selling, they did not say no. The 3rd is a renter.
If we are going to do it, let's stretch the possibilities and retain ownrship/control of our Rec. Center.
Rob Ramson
On Mar 30, 2013 12:29 PM, "KPW" <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
 
It's not about the center of the ward.  It's about replacing a service we lost.  We lost two middle schools in this area and we want one back in this area.  Brookland meets this criteria.  The other sites are off the table, so we move forward some kind of way.
 
So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites, or keeping our elementary school at Marshall and Utilizing Langdon which has space to build -- which is closer to the center where our kids will be arriving for middle school (as Brookland is almost in Ward 4) how about,



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Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 12:22 pm
Subject: [ward5]

 
It is a Shame that this the way it is. 
 
To quote Gandhi, 'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.'
"Win" at what cost?  It is a shame that we still don't have an analysis of what was lacking at each school (an analysis) and what it would have taken to keep some of the schools open.
 
And because DCPS has such a great track record of closing schools, changing things, drastically increasing proficiency. Heck -- the planning is so awesome that we kept buildings in positions so that we don't have to build a middle school
that we "suddenly" needed on top of a Rec. Center. 
 
In other words, close schools, give away the best locations for our Middle Schools then within a few years - guide hungry blind mice with "middle school cheese" to take over our Rec. Center -- so we have to be guilted with "it's about the kids". Well, I am here to tell you that it ain't about the "kids".
 
So -- We need a Middle School and they agree it is a Priority
So -- We have funding for a Middle School
So -- We have funding for Turkey Thicket in past budget and new budget.
So -- We have playground money -- added money specific to Playground.
 
So -- Why can't we have a Separate State-of-the-Art Middle School at a different location and a Separate State-of-the-Art Rec Center.  That's being about "KIDS" as well as Community.
 
Show us the other locations that we supposedly "chose" from and see if there is a better fit before going ahead. 
 
Like a good neighbor - state farm (DCPS) is here -- and I am a "French Model". For once, it would be nice that they and the Mayor/Economic Development are not 1000% right and we are all "too ________ stupid to understand".
 
So, other than the Taft, Backus, Bunker Hill sites, or keeping our elementary school at Marshall and Utilizing Langdon which has space to build -- which is closer to the center where our kids will be arriving for middle school (as Brookland is almost in Ward 4) how about,
 
a. Emery over on the back side of McKinley?
b. Hamilton -- already has tennis and basketball courts, baseball field and a Track -- that is perfect and on the Redline Metro.
 
2. What about placing a Middle School on the McMillian Site later for more kids when the time arises in return for all that funding that we are doing for that site.  That is were we can include a "School/Park" for the Community. 
 
I don't get why certain folks would support for an extended Rec Center to take over Shaed Elementary but want to develop a Middle School to decrease/limit the use of Turkey Thicket.
 
Perplexed -- but please give us the option of choosing from the sites considered again since we have funds to still make Turkey Thicket "beautiful" and have a nice playground.
 
Rob Ramson
 

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