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I am going to assume that these improvements that you so willfully acknowledge were done after Silas didn't step forward with 5C issues - which I am sure was a huge learning curve for him - 2 years now. I would say that enough time has elapsed and proper positive growth ("personal improvements) occurred.
By the way, if we are going to villanize folks for not stepping forward and speaking out, almost all positions in this City and elsewhere would be vacated. So you know, "silence when one should protest" is a disease that most politicians/"leaders" suffer from.
Exactly what I am saying. Let this young man have the opportunity to serve in a leadership role that he wants to; one that is really easy.
Now Rob, you and I can agree on everything accept ....Silas needs to prove himself first before jumping to the top. I willfully acknowledge, Silas has made personal improvements. However, as stated before, the only SMD Commissioner who would speak out regarding the financial improprieties of the past ANC 5C was GiGi; she can tell you herself.Further, this is not just about Silas; this is about those who are seeking higher office, who are now looking to elevate themselves who should be held accountable for failing to handle the basic responsibilities of an ANC.To allow the finances of this organization to go South and think its ok, is not. You now have a new ANC 5C that has no money because the people who just recently left office, 4 months ago, did not speak up or out about the dysfunctionally of their ANC. You cite me as the problem; the problem is not me; the problem is those of you who are willing to sweep things under the rug and think its ok; or to be a part of the go along get along crew; that should be unacceptable when wrong doing has occurred.If you, as a SMD Commissioner were willing to turn a blind eye to the inside activities of a grassroots organization, why should you be in any leadership position Leaders speak up!!To be responsible for the finances of a community organization and you don't say a thing, please. And don't try to use me as an escape goat for exposing issues that everyone should be made aware of.And mischaracterization of posts is something that you always try to turn the tables, but not this one.My quote will stand the test of time; leadership positions should be earned and not given.
Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life, as by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.Booker T. WashingtonReally!!Not that I condone any wrong doing by Silas or anyone else but Please allow me assist with the thought process on this.Debbie -- like you said, "While Silas has grown as a person". In my opinion of watching Silas Grant GROW over the years, including from the Harry Thomas flawed grant awarding process (whether he signed the document or not), he has done exactly that -- grow. That's how winners in life are formed -- we make mistakes and we learn from them -- it doesn't make Silas a "leper" for life and lending his "grown" volunteer service in a this Volunteer Organization is not a bad continuation. What Debbie has done is exactly what most of the folks done here in any election process -- instead of accentuate their strengths, folks tend to want to remind everyone of others mistakes or at least try to cast shadows.Personally, I don't have a gain in this but, like I stated earlier, Silas is an awesome young man. Those mistakes that he made a few years back should have cleared up the few spider webs that BAD "LEADERSHIP" here in Ward 5 and many places throughout the world very easily develops. Like I said a few years ago when Robert Brannum ran against Angel Alston for that same position -- I stated that "leaders" are failing one of the most major DUTIES in the job of leadership -- failing to teach young leaders how to become stronger and when young folks step forward to take on leadership roles, there is not much support, only criticism and a whole lot of folks trying to guide them down the wrong path.Back to Silas -- this would be a great opportunity for him to show what he is actually made of and what he learned from those few mistakes he has made in life -- especially those recent ones -- similar to the ones that most everyone has made.I believe that someone in this community said -- "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life, as by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed" --- Booker T. WashingtonUnderstand that BAD INFLUENCE and LACK OF POSITIVE LEADERSHIP TRAINING is also an obstacle that one has to overcome -- and usually one is actually wrongly influenced in order to have fully learned the lesson. Silas was influenced and as a young man coming into this very muddy political game, he was just as vulnerable as everyone else. I believe that he has grown enough to be given the opportunity to serve his community again. As I see it, this young man is stepping up to take on some responsibility and the over experienced "leaders" should be ready to be supportive of whoever wins.As for SLATES -- it seems to me that almost all who I have experience here in Politics seems to be on some "Slate" or another.Just speaking from a very experience place of making many mistakes and bad judgements in life!!Rob Ramson --FYI - Debbie and I are friends.
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Debbie Steiner <DLSmith112@msn.com> wrote:Bring it on!!
Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life, as by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.Booker T. WashingtonFirst off it wouldn't be slander but lible and secondly he would have a case.
First you stated something to attack him without knowing or caring to find out. Second you have published it (this is the definition given by the federal court by distributing it via email) third he would have grounds for an action. I'm not going to drag down the list serve with the det of defamation and is what is needed to prove it. Know howev that based on the facta that a summary judgment would be easy to obtain.
Further as it relates to the attack on Mr. Grant your statement is filled with false statements. There is no actual proof that he signed for the alleged funds which were part of a larger crime by HTJ. Again the details are out so I wouldn't waste everyone's time.
Lastly as it relates to you not being part of anything negative, your emails all prove otherwise.
On Jun 2, 2013 3:01 PM, "Debbie Steiner" <DLSmith112@msn.com> wrote:Let's you and I be clear Mr. Jordan; as I stated before: No one from the CM's office should be serving on this body. I am entitled to my opinion.The last time I checked, the email I wrote was about the prior ANC 5C and their antics, which you were not involved in ANC 5C, the community and you don't live their either.Further, if you are a CPA then say so, otherwise ... You don't scare me nor will I be quite. And what is slanderous?, exposing the truth.. And from where I sit, if anything I have said is untrue or slanderous, file a lawsuit against me, otherwise....Yes, I am part of a slate who is about positive change and holding people accountable. Only after I seen the shenanigans that played out with Bob King nominating an entire slate from the floor that included CM MCDuffie's office personnel, did I then decide to self nominate for the 3rd Vice President seat; and guess what.. It is legal an in the rules.I stand up and applaud these facts: you brought a home in Ward 5, work for the CM, an ANC Commissioner, work for CM McDuffie, and attended meetings, whoopee.I make a personal choice to boycott organized meetings that are not in alignment with the rules and policies that are written, SO SHOOT ME. So shoot me, for having real morals and a true ethical character. If I can remove a veil and provide additional information to people about what they may not know, then I will.The mean spirited way that the Ward 5 Dems pushed Angel Alston out of her seat was deplorable. The Executive board under Alston's leadership did not work with her. Further, the manner in which the prior elections happen was a total disgrace to the Ward.However, this time around there were ethical people on the nomination committee; heading up the election process. Once I heard about it, I thought I would start participating again. However, when I saw Bob King nominating, from the floor, the CM's employees, woo boy did that bring back memories. So it did not take long for me to figure out what was going on. So that's the only reason why I SELF nominated myself young man.Yes, we need new leadership! Did I say that you were not new? I identified you on the CM's slate and not being a CPA. Where is the slander is saying you are not a CPA, Certified Public Accountant, just in case you might misunderstand the acronym I am using. When you sue me I want the wording to be clear and concise.I state my case, you can do the same. Remember, on and off the listserve you represent the CM's office. Be careful of what you write. Now what about that lawsuit of libel? Telling the truth and how it is, is not one of my weaknesses.AND let's be sure we are clear; everything I wrote, can be verified; either through news articles, the DC Auditor office and the prior ANC minutes. Too include, you can check with the new ANC 5C about being insolvent.
Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life, as by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.Booker T. WashingtonI typically practice restraint with regards to responding to listserv post. However, your post is absurd, misleading, and disingenuous and against better judgment I will engage you. You fail to mention that you are also a candidate and more than likely have aligned yourself with a group of people also running for positions (based on visual perception of the events at the meeting). You also attack others for things like attendance, experience, public trust, etc. All without saying how many meetings you have attended of the Ward 5 Democrats and your own ANC 5E.
I would appreciate if you would leave me out of your propaganda post in the future or if you have questions concerning me that you reach out and contact me. I have a degree in Finance, have worked for the largest credit union in the world (Navy Federal) and had a career as a consultant prior to joining the District government specializing in Budget Formulation and Execution for clients such as DoD, DHS, VA and DoT. I have managed budgets ranging in the billions and maintained a Secret clearance will employed as consultant for the government.
Furthermore I have been involved with the Ward 5 Dems since moving back to the District of Columbia after purchasing my first home in Ward 5, and you can request to see the sign in sheets (which I have signed many). I also was elected to serve as an ANC commissioner in ANC 5A in which I have not missed a meeting and have aimed to provide quality service to all of my constituents. So instead of signing off with a message for those to wake up, lets try to be positive leaders and change agents for Ward 5 and the District of Columbia. This kind of slander and bickering is the exact reason why attendance is slim at many of our community meetings (civic, dems, ANC, etc). People want effective government and representation, not high school antics.
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"We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
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