Thursday, 6 September 2012

Re: Re: Re: [WardFive] Re: [ward5] An Awesome Sight!!!

So, let's look a little further!!  I will be using the "Y" tool to operate on this issue.
 
The Question now becomes, WOULD THE "OBAMA" PROMISES BE MORE CLOSER TO REALITY IF THERE WAS NOT A HUGE HINDERANCE??  
 
Understanding what Compromise on Direction means - It doesn't mean we won't allow for that if something else totally not related is not agreed to.  So, don't be fooled by rhetoric again. 
 
Anytime one of those Senators or Congress"men" negotiate issues on a bill, it shouldn't include totally unrelated wants.  Along with the amendments to the Actual Bill at hand, Feel free to put those unrelated Wants into the Bill, however, understand if your amendments to the Actual Bill are accepted but your unrelated Wants are not accepted, don't make that a Deal Breaker.  Once those items become a Deal Breaker, then the language has now become a "Bribe". 
 
So, it is not fair to say that President Obama didn't get done what he said he would if part of the objection is for him to sign on to things totally unrelated that may go against his other positions or somehow undermine him. 
 
For Example;
 
a.  You can have Statehood but you have to legalize guns.  Either we can or we can't!!!!  But this is where our Country is for Sale to the Lobbyists!! 
 
b.  I am only going to let you spend 1 trillion dollars if I get 50 million for a petting zoo.  Or, I am only going to let America go to War if a company that funds my campaign gets some of the contracts. 
 
And on a Basic Level, that what it is - the future as a country is based on how much we are willing to be Bribed or what you call a "COMPROMISE"!
 
Let me close with this - Have you every heard of the words "Instant Potatoes"??  It is a Caribbean term.  If you ask some kids in America where mash potatoes comes from, it comes from a box.  We live in a world that many of our folks don't take the time to understand from Seed to Dinner Table and then truly appreciate it the process.  How long did it take to get to the point where we were in Oct 2010 with unemployment (numerically) and even now as some of the ripples are still affecting us and What is the Time Frame of your Expected "Turn Around"?   Did you really expect that President Obama would have an "Instant Potatoes" fix to everything?
 
The problem with anyone who is questioning President Obama's work is that the problem lies within YOUR OWN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS and EITHER you lack reality of the process in life or the fact that these types of responses are your way of deflecting from your/the real issues on deck!! 
 
Vote for who you want to but, I suggest that anyone who opposes OBAMA understand that there is an "Officer on Deck" in the White House and you should SALUTE President OBAMA and his Family for AAAAAALL that He/They represent and has DONE! 
In closing, 4 years ago if you thought Senator Obama didn't ave Experience, I guarantee you that NO ONE can even utter Those Words Now. 
 
 
Rob Ramson
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Bradley A. Thomas <b-ashton-thomas@verizon.net> wrote:
Again, I don't disagree on your basic premise about the necessity of compromise.  The fact is, however, that is has been the Republicans in Congress who have refused to compromise, not the President.  Check out the following link.  It's sobering. 


I do disagree on your assertion that we are in the same place as we were four years ago.  Four years ago, we were on a downward trajectory.  Today, there are more jobs.  The unemployment rate is just as high largely because so many discouraged workers who previously stopped looking now have hope and are back in the job market.  More jobs plus more job seekers equals same unemployment rate.  Be careful when you quote statistics.  As Jerry previously pointed out, statistics can be manipulated. 

I have to get to work now so I won't be responding to any more messages until perhaps later this evening.  Thanks again for the discussion. 

Bradley A. Thomas
 
 
On 09/06/12, Eric J. Jones<ejjones.threed@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Bradley,

Very simple we are at the same place we were four years ago. I have the Department of Labor charts and you can get them easily by a Google search or by going to their web site.

Secondly, Bradley his biggest legislation was passed so your logic is flawed. He needs to meet in the middle. This is chess sir not checkers. No President who had less than 54% of the vote can come in and run things the way he wants and Obama is no different. The country was and is divided which means compromise, not just pushing it because you think you have a mandate or are smarter than everyone else. Especially considering that as a Senator you didn't have a great relationship with everyone and that your Chief of Staff was know for being a former bull dog to push stuff through.

Sir you know as well as I do that it is more than just getting something passed.

Eric J. Jones
- ejjones.threed@gmail.com

On Sep 6, 2012 9:26 AM, "Bradley A. Thomas" <b-ashton-thomas@verizon.net> wrote:
I have just two questions for you Eric:

As Rob points out, nine months after President Obama entered the White House, unemployment had climbed to 10%.  Since then, we have had steady job creation and unemployment has dropped to just over 8%, with more new jobs created than in all eight years of the previous president's administration.  So question number 1 is this:  Do the effects of a change in economic policy take place immediately upon the inauguration of a new president or does legislation have to be passed and implemented before the effects can be realized?

Question number 2 is this, and please do the research first before answering off the cuff:  During those first two years of the Obama administration, how many bills were passed by the Democrat controlled House only to die in the Senate because of Republican led filibusters?  (Oops!  There's that filibuster word again, ruining the popular notion that because there were more than 50 Democratic Senators, the Democrats controlled the Senate. Sorry about that.)     

I'm just askin'.

Bradley A. Thomas
 
 
On 09/06/12, Eric J. Jones<ejjones.threed@gmail.com> wrote:
 

I'm just going to point a few things out. First unemployment is exactly where it was when Obama took office and if you considered the folks who are no longer able to apply it or who have all but stopped looking for work.

Secondly, unemployment and other items actually went up when the Dems had the house and Senate and turned when Obama had to tweak his agenda some.

As far as Clinton, yeah the same folks who lead the impeachment against him were more moderate. That's funny.

The truth is that the Democrats were actually more accepting of not so liberal members of our own party and say stuff like choke the blue dogs until they are gasping for air.

What we are having is a flash back to the Clinton days and not looking at the actual numbers.

This country is divided and the Democratic party is moving to the far left as fast, if not faster than the GOP is moving to the far right. We need to get back to working with those in the middle on both sides as that is where most of the country sits.

Eric J. Jones
- ejjones.threed@gmail.com

On Sep 6, 2012 8:36 AM, "Rob" <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning Robby,

Awesome question!!  Now where were we exactly "4" years ago? Please don't forget to include getting to unemployment rate of 10% in Oct 2009 - 3 years ago.  So, the question that you and the Republicans should really be asking are "Where was our Country headed 3 years ago and where is it headed now? - in and out of the beltway. 

At 8.3% current unemployment, we are headed in the right direction in less than 3 years.  Last I checked, since the Depression, where the Republicans had us going from 2000 to 2009, was towards that same level. So, saving the auto industry (LOTS OF JOBS) and stabalizing Anti-America issues just by having the right Name!!!, helped to give us the breathing room to turn the economy around.

I am game to continue.  So, Please continue with Rhetoric. By the way, not basking in "glow of DNC Convention" but appreciating the beautiful representation of a cultured/variety of colored filled America vs one that is so not inclusive.  Also, Hope and Faith may be names to you, but your entire "survival now" is here today because your forefathers had those "Names" to hang onto. 

Looking forward to a better response.

Rob Ranson

On Sep 6, 2012 1:19 AM, "RobbyCU" <RobbyCU@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Or you have an example of failure. Hope and Faith are great, if they are the first names of people. But here we have a president that hasn't delivered on the gusto he put forth. I like him, really, but he's failed the Clintonian test. We are not better off than we were four years ago. We simply aren't. So while you may bask in the glow of the DNC convention. In the world outside the beltway people are broke, jobless, and looking for change. And that's not change in the President's future.

 
 
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From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 12:54 AM
Subject: [ward5] An Awesome Sight!!!



Good evening,
 
Just a thought - Just looking at the diversity being represented at the Democratic Convention compared to "no diversity" at the Republican Convention, it is almost impossible to not realize which Party is most representative of America - says the diversity of the audience.  While both sides has their faults and plays the game or politics really well, I am just proud that so many have taken the steps towards equality for everyone!!  So, While Change may have been made difficult over the last 4 years, we still survive on FAITH (Belief) AND HOPE (prayer)!!!  
 
A PICTURE, PERFECT!!
 
Rob Ramson     

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