Anthony,
BLAH BLAH BLAH!!
1. Smile!! I see you still have an itch because you barked up the wrong tree. Yes I did miss that MTV special - but I did read that article and understand what imprints on a person's brain who thinks along certain lines already!!
2. Not my fault you got lost in my "rhetoric". It says alot that you would get lost on something this simple, imagine if you really had to think! Anyways, you answered exactly what I wanted folks to get - thanks for helping me get my point across -- that's what a community is all about.
So, let me identify the Huge foot stuck in your throat -- My Brother-in-law ---- A BLACK Man (unless he is also BLIND and unable to discern as well to fit your BLACK VISION/only view finder on life) is the one who brought this discussion/observation/article up during Thanksgiving -- one of the focus was to highlight the opportunities lost from not so good dicisions early in life -- continuing to imprint on his two young Black Children (in College) and which the conversation evolved to touch on other things relative to our experiences as Black People.
I just happened to agree with him and relay it as it related to the immediate horrible response of my White Friend -- as a refresher -- the reason for "baby mamas" is because Black Men and Gay Men have more sex and more multiple partners than White Heterosexual Men. Like I said, all the White Heterosexual Men I know seemed to be just as interested in having Sex and "multiple" partners (given the opportunity) -- just like Black Men and I guess Gay Men -- which I can't really speak on - as I don't know enough to say about them - but my assumption is that they are no different than other Men in that manner!
Imagine, all of a sudden I guess you want to use the BLACK Man Card because your little ego got ruffled -- really - that's how you feel -- I probably would have just quietly acquiesced and understood the points being made and the larger focus. Maybe we can talk about it some more so I can soothe your ruffled feathers with my sand paper like words.
So you understand - bringing life to a 100+ year old Wood Floor (in this case, a 400+ year old thought process) which are like racist, oppressive, imperial, privileged views, one has to use really rough sandpaper to cut into the old varnish and stain. Then we reduce the grain of paper (words), sand again, reduce the grain (words) further, sand again before we resurface with the stain (more productive views) we want and finally coat it with a sealant/varrnish/polyutherine so that we SEAL THE THOUGHTS in.
Knowing we will always have sealed in some unmovable spots, stains, dust, and of course the unsightly knots that cannot be removed as they are part of the wood (culture) that will never change" -- we still end up with a surface that is mostly what we would like our "floor"/WORLD to look like. -- I hope you get how BLACK that is coming from a simple ol "Indian Man"!!
And if you need further "Color" classification of who I am, Read My email address -- just so you know how African American BLACK I AM know that I am NOT and how clear I am of WHO I AM!! Trust and believe, what I really want to tell you can only be said amongst Black Folks -- so read my thoughts from a distance. In the future, I will make sure to borrow you TRULY Black Vision since my Brain can't seem to discern past the darkest GRAY!
Please God - I hate when I have to deal with the inconsistant thought processes/ego of the "eric j's and the tony's" of the world when I know that you both are so much more CAPABLE. PLEASE TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ___________!!!!
Understand that Black is the absence of light and really is the darkest Grey -- please get enlighened!! Maybe as a BLACK MAN, you shouldn't be so DAMM SEDATED and comfortable with the mediocre "FREEDOMS" that you have been tossed like you toss a BONE to a DOG after they have eaten all the MEAT!.
Rob Ramson
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Tony Humphries <ubalt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ummm...
MTV does a great show on white baby daddies... but I guess you missed that.
The Washington Post has printed many a articles that spew or spin what is relatively a non-story into one.
----> case in point -- I had to DEFEND my Mayor from the stories the media skewed about him and his drug use and how my city COULD re-elect him versus the capable candidate (Schwartz) who aptly told Ward 8, you dont matter (in so many words) <-- Post never reported that either *shrug*
All that directly , indirectly, to the point stuff is FLUFF around the meat -- stick to the meat and your points WONT be lost in the rhetoric.
Conversely, if you have a problem with the POST --- tell the POST.
Also/lastly... as a BLACK MAN, I am pretty much use to non-positive, skewed stories, and mistruths that the media spread about me and my kind. However, there is a GREAT editorial opportunity for you to put you POV out there and comment on the article ON the Posts website and even submit a follow up article idea about the GOOD parts of the young man's life - beyond his trips to CVS, etc.
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:01:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [ward5] Athlete/Baby Daddy's
So Tony,I hope you got the focus of me writing was My Friend (who happens to be a very intelligent White man) immediatetly commented about Black Males and Gay Men having multiple sex partners moreso than heterosexual White males and that's why we have the "baby daddy's" issue.Directly:a. So this is what I am getting at - "White boys are not called baby daddy but more often called 'my son/daughter's father'. *shrug*" knowing this is not terms limited to "boys" knowing that you are referring to high school kids - just so that others don't misinterpet.b. So, this is what I am getting at - Abortions and abortion clinics (contrary to popular beleif) are not frequented, supported, and funded for blacks only".c. So, yes amongst the many other things that we discussed that day, this was one of the topics -- and what a great conversation to have on the responsibilities of pregnancies for my nephew and niece to be part of and understant the long term effect this could have on one's life.d. So I see your perspective, however, if your intent is to talk about a loving teenage dad, there is no need to mentiona. Could attract a girlfriend if he wanted to.b. In that span, Matthews has fathered two children with two women he met at Dunbar, one of whom he still dates.Point blank, this article could be written without incorporating those comments as well as the pregrenancy/CVS trip. Furthermore, if they just need to fill up space on a page, write some articles about other things that our Black Athletes are doing -- positive as well.And yes - while the article had to do with him taking on the responsibilities with his children -- WHICH I Addressed, it still propagates that young Black Men are "BABY MAKERS". There are many Black Children who are involved in Sports who are doing other things than making Babies. Those are the stories we want to see more of.No matter how you want to spin the "perspective", the reality is the same. Most White folks only see the fact that this young Black Male is out there like many Young Black Males -- just making babies. They are not really reading that article. I want to see some articles about White Males Making Babies, and raising them or impregnating girls and having abortions -- because we all know that they are out there having just as much sex as Black and Gay Males.So you get it -- I asked the question to get White Folks to Think about this issue from a more broad perspective and to address the fact - that exact fact -- Baby Mama's and Baby Daddy's are not sole owned by the Black Race - because it seems like that is like another "neighborhood" vs. "community" differentiation when it relates to race. Also, I don't think that they would have written to this extent about a White Teen Quarterback.So you know, we did watch the game, talk sports, talk about semester at Bentley and Washington University, Obama Care, Medical practice in 15 years, the election (a republican response to defeat), watched young cousins play chess, etc.By the way, many young men are involved with their kids - its the older ones that we have a problem with -- at least that's my observation and experience and so is that from a counselor friend of mine.Rob RamsonOn Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Tony Humphries <ubalt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Rob,
This was your conversation over Thanksgiving dinner? Really?
Baby daddy is not only for black folks, nor just white folks with black tendencies... its a term that females coined to describe the guy that they get pregnant by, particularly unwedded and often underage. White boys are not called baby daddy but more often called 'my son/daughter's father'. *shrug* Maybe baby daddy or baby momma are used to invoke sympathy in others... who knows.
Abortions and abortion clinics (contrary to popular beleif) are not frequented, supported, and funded for blacks only. Abortion is a PERSONAL choice not a cultural one though.
Maybe yall should become sports fans cause surely the convo should have been more about how good of a game Detroit had or how great it was to kick the Cowgirl's @sses on an exclusive scale on national tv. Or on a cultural basis ask "who made the potato salad"?!!!
Oh to the article... yeah it seems the baby making high school quarterback SHOULD NOT be glorified, but maybe the story was that HE unlike alot of teen fathers IS involved with his kids. I guess its from which perspective you take it.
Tony
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From: indianrob@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:42:58 -0500
Subject: [ward5] Athlete/Baby Daddy's
Good Evening everyone,Last night I was having a conversation with a White friend regarding the article in the Wash. Post on Thursday regarding Dunbar's Quarterback. So, I was conveying to him that after Thanksgiving dinner, my brother-in-law was expressing to me how amazing it is that we have an entire article (Starting on the Front page of the sports page and collectively an entire page) about a really good young Black Quarterback and most of the article was about him having two children and the two women involved, raising the children and its affect on School. Would they have done this with a White Quarterback? Why would a journalist take this approach with this young man?Somehow the conversation between my friend and I evolved and he stated to me that "part of it is that Black Men and Gay Men tend to have more partners. That's why there are so many "baby daddy's"!! I was truly amazed to hear him say this.Anyways, me being me, we had that discussion in which he told me that there are studies that show this.Maybe we can have a conversation about this?Also, can someone give me the white name for "baby daddy"? Is this the name for all cultures?What happens when a Woman gets Pregnant -- Is there a cultural difference in having the baby vs. having an abortion?Rob Ramson
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