Why do you think that DCPS highly paid Administration can't get our public schools to perform?
Leadership matters, but DC like most major cities is addicted flavor of the month educational reform gimmicks. PG County's former Dr. D on the other hand had a solid approach, but the middle of DCPS is non-functional. It's in part because the top of the org changes so much, that no one buys into reform. So when KH leves, we'll have another one... until someone actually take the reins in the middle, and the top. Edicts alone don't transform and organization. As Kotter writes you have to lead change. DCPS's leadership hasn't gotten that. There doesn't seems to be a transformative vision that's been communicated with and definitely adopted at all levels.
Do you think that the teachers in the Charter Schools are that much better?
Only in so far you're student isn't stuck in it the way they can be stuck in a zone school.
Do you think that by putting the same kids into other schools changes the actual variables that are affecting them being able to accept the information being taught?
If by "accept the information being taught" you mean learn (Acquire, comprehend, synthesize , and demonstrate) then yes. Putting a student in a very good prep school will have a significant impact on that student's performance and their future prospects.
Are you aware of any different information that says that Charter Schools are doing better than DCPS?
None, as stated above it's the mobility that gives them an edge. I would actually favor vouchers more that would afford the ultimate mobility for parents. They in theory could send there children to any school
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From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com; Ward 5 Google Groups <wardfive@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: [WardFive] Re: [ward5] Message From Councilmember McDuffie On School Closures
Good Morning Robby,
Going with your theory, Why do you think that DCPS highly paid Administration can't get our public schools to perform?
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Do you think that the teachers in the Charter Schools are that much better?
Do you think that by putting the same kids into other schools changes the actual variables that are affecting them being able to accept the information being taught?
Are you aware of any different information that says that Charter Schools are doing better than DCPS?
Rob
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:28 AM, RobbyCU <RobbyCU@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian:You're confusing education with schooling. I would like you to dispassionately read what I wrote. If you have, then your rant here is simply intellectually dishonest. It is more rhetoric than substance. Schools serve a purpose, but the system that is the public school may have out live it's purpose. Organizations, like organisms and products end. Ending public schooling as we know it isn't something that is comfortable to many. It is felt like a blow to the kidneys. It isn't really. Endings are normal, transitions are required, and change is constant. While there are arguments for the sate's responsibility for supporting an educated citizenry, the method of implementation should not be confined to a singular application, the public school system.We need to actually take a hard look not at the process but the outcomes we are seeking. Do we care if Johnny and Sandy go to a good DCPS, or do we care they are educated to their highest potential? To me it dosen't matter if the student learns in a home school, private school, religious school, charter school, Montessori school, vocational school, or an experimental/experiential/alternative school. We should not prescribe the method of implementation. We should allow parents to decide. They, not any instrumentality of government, are the ones most responsible for their children's education.To suggest the above is an assault on any educational theorist, educational psychologist, parent, or student is plain silly. My suggestion that we take stock of what we are trying to achieve vs tweaking a prescribed solution to achieve what we think we want is a good one. We can live w/n our box and maybe we'll craft a 70% solution, or we can be aspirational and stop focusing on the toil, and instead focus on the future.To simplify it's as if we continue to fix our broken car because it used to run well in our memory and we need it to run to take our kids to where they need to go. We will spend time and treasurer all the while our children are getting older. It may fit or start, but despite our best efforts we don't quite get it running well. Our children have aged out now, never fully gotten to where they needed to go. If only we realized or admitted there are other methods we could have employed. There were other cars, bikes, hikes, walks, runs, sails, rides, and flights that could have gotten them to where they needed to be and perhaps beyond. Instead, we chose to confine them to a broken car while we maddeningly insisted on fixing it at their peril.___________________________________________
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Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Message From Councilmember McDuffie On School Closures
From: RobbyCU <RobbyCU@yahoo.com>;
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com <ward5@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [ward5] Message From Councilmember McDuffie On School Closures
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:27:18 AM
"In everything you do. Always be yourself"- Lee Hall, Billy Elliot
From: "Mobleyjnet@aol.com" <Mobleyjnet@aol.com>
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Message From Councilmember McDuffie On School Closures
I agree, moreover, we need to solicit more "males" to personally get involve in the school system's truancy problems, therefore, I am suggesting that those interested, please let me know.Folks, I think we can do a Ward 5 initiative, first under the Councilman's leadership. Remember, there is nothing wrong with CHANGE if we can see it benefited other's progress...................moving FORWARD.Pierpont-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Bradford <brianbradford42@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:02 am
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From: Eric J. Jones <ejjones.threed@gmail.com>;
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- ejjones.threed@gmail.comOn Nov 9, 2012 7:42 AM, "Brian Bradford" <brianbradford42@yahoo.com> wrote:
Education is one of those issues that is too important to be debated by people with no background in education. There is a very small percentage of charter schools that are better options than traditional public schools.
From: RobbyCU <RobbyCU@yahoo.com>;
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com <ward5@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: Re: [ward5] Message From Councilmember McDuffie On School Closures
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:36:06 AM
Reality dosens't quite jive with the rhetoric. Politicians here have to say they want better public schools and a middle school. It's just as mandatory as saying they are for DC statehood.
However, if DCPS isn't up to par to the point that a Charters are by and large seen as a leeps and bounds better, then why do we keep the DCPS?
If the rhetoric stopped at just political double speak I would not really mind, but we are spending millions on schools that people will pull their kids out of at the first sign of a better alternative. There are a few exceptions, but the token love of DCPS seems to do more harm than good.
Would there be a problem with an all Charter or all voucher program? Instead of having to give a large educational organization DC property to teach kids with DC tax dollars, would it be a sin to give a parent a voucher and let them educate their kids however they saw fit ( to include sending kids to Fairfax county paying out of state tuition)?Would the demise of the DCPS, have any impact on students? Could the possibility of the city setting graduating standards a la NY for the schools be more effective than the status quo?
I submit these are very open ended questions, and I further posit that politically the concept of axing DCPS is a non-starter. I'm just looking across the street at a $30M school renovation, and knowing most of the young parent's here will try to send their kids to the new Kipp School or Two Rivers or elsewhere. Maybe we could have invested that time and treasure on other projects. It's almost like we built an amusement park that people only visit when they don't have anything better to do. That park would and should close. Maybe it's time we took a hard look at the goal of schooling in DC, is it about education or nostalgia.
-Robby
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From: KPW <WKPW3@aol.com>
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Message From Councilmember McDuffie On School Closures
Funny how this list comes out after the November election and barely in enough time before the Council's hearings on school closures. If one didn't know better, one would think that this timing was on person to keep people from being disruptive during elections and mobilizing for the Council hearings.
Also, it's interesting to see Spingarn on the list as the community debates the car barn at Spingarn. And I know something is wrong when Roosevelt is mentioned. So many influential people came through that school. How close is it to the Petworth Metro?
KPW
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From: Clark, Timothy (Council) (Council) <tclark@dccouncil.us>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:50 pm
Subject: [ward5] Message From Councilmember McDuffie On School Closures
I met with Chancellor Henderson this week to discuss the proposed school closures. DC Public Schools (DCPS) has scheduled an official announcement on Tuesday, November 13, where the Chancellor will announce the list of impacted schools. I look forward to scheduling and fully engaging the W5 community and the W5 education stakeholders -including parents, students and teachers to hear their concerns.
Kenyan R. McDuffie
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