Mrs KPW,
I am going to assume that one of the "5" you are mentioning is me since I am the most "harsh". Well -- maybe in 2013, I will have more time to spend with my daughter, my business and personal life. You see, whether someone brushes their teeth before spitting on me or they just spit -- they still spit and I don't want anyone spitting on me or my "friends"/community.
In other words, a man who walks down the street drinking liquor out of a "flask" while dressed in a tuxedo and a man who walks down the street drinking liquor our of a bottle in a brown paper bag while dressed in jeans and boots is no different -- they are both still drinking alcohol.
Just know that these same people who say all that nonsense -- like they have no sense -- especially those who feel privileged -- don't say these things in public or trust me -- lots of people would be kicking their A**. The reasons they say the things they do on the Listserv is because they feel that they won't get "stomped on". Well, until you put me off, I will Stomp on whoever wants to cross the line. Heck -- most of the Republicans are even afraid to say that they are Republican in Public -- Let them and Watch how the conversation switches.
I just happen to call things a spade and treat "them" the same way they are treating us - except I say it in a straight forward manner. I don't like people flipping us the "bird" (robbing us) with a glove on and hidden behind their computer screens (SKI MASKS)!! They are no different than the "THUGS" attacking people on the Bike Trail -- I don't care who knows them, how long we know them and whether they are Black or White.
So you know -- most rapes and child abuse occurs from people who know the victims and often by a family member -- don't let us be raped/abused by our "community" members.
Rob Ramson
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks. I like the free expression, too, and the energy. My daughter (I don't know why my son never engages me in my discussions) says that I can't kick everyone off or the listserv will be boring. Personally, I like the debates and the different thinking. However, there are a few that have so many wonderful ideas to contribute but take it one step too far by putting people down. There is a way to keep people in check without being mean. There is a way to be witty to get at people or "carry" them in a way in what may appear to be a nice tone. It takes a little work to mask one's emotional tone and keep from jumping down someone's throat and trying to make them feel or appear inferior. I'm just saying to treat people as human beings deserving of respect even if you disagree. This is not the place for bullies but it is the place for passionate debate. Note that there are many that cross the line on this listserv and go astray for a minute but come back to reality. However, some are consistent, but stimulate discussion.
Glad that you know how to disagree without being disagreeable.
KPW
Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:51 am
Subject: RE: [ward5] From the Moderator: For the Christmas Holiday and the New Year
Mrs. KPW - I do have to say that in my 11 years in DC and as a member of many neighborhood list-serves, this one is by far the most fun, engaging and ... well, interesting. I can see why some people don't care for it, but I think it's such a refreshing change from some of the more boring, staid and stilted ones out there. Thanks for moderating!
- Sam Shipley
Stronghold
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com
From: WKPW3@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:46:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [ward5] From the Moderator: For the Christmas Holiday and the New Year
By the way, there are about five people that have been naughty a lot on this listserv in case you are pointing fingers. Some don't realize the grief they bring, too. The saving grace for some has been that they bring good information and energize the discussions. Some have been saved because some have asked that the person be spared. I think that I have only kicked off about five or fewer people and a couple started to change or apologized just before I was about to remove them. A few of those I am glad that I kept on. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
All is well.
Moderator
-----Original Message-----
From: KPW <WKPW3@aol.com>
To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 10:40 am
Subject: [ward5] From the Moderator: For the Christmas Holiday and the New Year
Happy Holidays
As we approach Christmas and 2013 New Year, let's begin our reform on the listserv. If you're nice, you get to continue commenting freely on the listserv. If you're naughty, you get moderated a lot faster and may be limited to only reading the comments and perhaps eventually shown the doors. For a certain period of time and perhaps indefinitely, the offenders will not be able to post, only watch the discussion. You might come back with another email address, but you better behave.
The listserv gets complaints about being too toxic because some have a flair for drama by talking so rudely to others. If you meet some of the people in person that seem to be leaning toward the abusive side in their comments, you really take to their nice personalities. Yet, when on the listserv they tend to put down others.
There are several people that sometimes have a know-it-all, condescending, or superior attitude, and that includes me sometimes, but it is the way you address people that matters. Don't put people down and or talk nasty to them. Issues are sometimes controversial but we don't have to be slanderous, mean spirited, nasty, accusatory, meddling, and so forth to people. If I go "ouch" when I read a comment, then you have crossed the line. Also, the listserv is not the place to work out your issues with someone you don't appreciate. Some people have lasted longer than others because they promise to do better and don't try to stage an obvious coup to take over the listserv. Also, what we do in our personal lives off the listserv (outside of supporting a candidate) is pretty much off limits. What we do for our livelihood that is legal is none of the listserv's business.
Well, for the season and New Year, we will no longer be so toxic. We will continue to take on the issues with force and passion, but the talking down to people has to stop. Oh, you've heard this before. Watch. Don't email me directly or call me on this. Spare me. Life is good and today is going to be another superfantastic one.
Season's Greetings. Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Have a superfantastic day.
Moderator
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