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From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
To: Ward 5 Google Groups <wardfive@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Fwd: [ward5] [WardFive] Re: [Brookland] Re: Lunch at Menomale
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:03:45 -0400
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From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] [WardFive] Re: [Brookland] Re: Lunch at Menomale
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com
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R. Ramson
3744 12th Street, N.E.,
Washington D.C., 20017
202-438-5988
"We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
(Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] [WardFive] Re: [Brookland] Re: Lunch at Menomale
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com
Dude - you don't have the power nor the position to revoke anything - so much so that you had to Tweet - "somebody should punch Rob Ramson in the Mouth". Why don't you try doing that yourself before you ask others to do it. You are just angry that I won't allow you to Broad Stroke / spoon feed us with the Crap that obviously others have allowed you to get away with throughout you life.
1. So you get it, I am not comparing you to the "Klan" or making you a member but please understand that you don't need to wear a White Hood and Ride at night to share in some of the qualities that are oppressive and that the Klan does stand for. But here you go with the "appeal to get White Folks Mobilized against me" not much different than the Padous and their trumped up lies to get support for their protest. Why do you think that most of John Feeley's consistent SMD attendees didn't support him even ones living across the street from the cafe with a Car - because they knew that the entire protest was wrong and definitely after 2.5 years.
2. While it might be unfair for YOU to group masses together and assume a single viewpoint amongst them, I can. I know where Black Folks stand on this and Some Whites feel the same. Maybe you can't but I and most others can tell from what a person writes exactly where they stand - and we know where you stand. From there, it is not difficult to catagorize thoughts via expression and place people into corresponding boxes.
3. The issue is not you supporting the Cafe as many Whites did. The issue is identifying the Racist and Prejudiced reasons that has been at the core of the Protest against the Liquor License. The fact that Black Men brought Violence, Whore House, Drug Dealing, Money Laundering, Etc. to a community is THE "MISNOMER" of the Century as depicted by no such complaints against the awesome "Manomale".
4. The Adams Morgan "theme" wasn't ill advised as I would do it today if I had the opportunity. Two of the Young Men involved decided to go in a Direction that wasn't what I wanted and that was the core of the issue. All of which was told to Abigail way before she wrote the Article. The Inn was there for 1.5 year and not operating as a whore house and all of a sudden we needed some "policing Whites" on that Block. Abigail should be writing about all the Drunkeness that occurs at San Antonio as it doesn't happen at the Cafe. It was her hurt feelings for writing such a twisted article leaving out information like the $1 cost of the Blackberries and being exposed. But that's what she does and that's what your wife does and so do you. How many times do we have to catch you mis-analyzing issues.
5. The issue is not about those who made the outcry. The issue are with the ones like you who refuse to see the underlying Core issue of Oppressiveness, racism, double Standard that has transpired along with the Romney approach here in Brookland.
6. Here you go with the "ALL the White residents" comments. Dude - one of the reasons that slavery got abolished so long ago is that there were Whites (ESPECIALLY WHITE WOMEN) who were compassionate to Blacks and the Trials of the time. Once again, I often tell all foreign born minorities that they should worship the ground that Older Blacks walk on and some Older Whites.
7. The one thing that you should have got by now is that I just tell it as I see it. If you need spectacles, I don't. My vision is fine. Like I said, this crap has nothing to do with the Cafe. The price has already been paid. Even if I loose everything in life, I ain't afraid of no "GHOST"! I am a Ghost Buster!!
What happened to answering the question - After 2.5 years - what the ____________ was/is the reason for the Protest, the appealate court, parking for people who don't live in the affected area and for those who have no car. Why don't you answer? That's just one question out of a long list that I can give you. As a matter of Fact, why don't you ask former Commissioner Phil Blair where he got his comments from.
By the way, That Nonsense you just wrote "Had I been in the neighborhood when B Cafe was looking for its liquor license, I would have supported it" should be buried in manure. You have taken every opportunity to justify what has been done. So many times I have provided you with the opportunity to ask the same questions but you and your wife and others continue to justify ("understand") the protesters. God couldn't have sent a "Manomale" at a better time. Still waiting on your answer.
Rob Ramson
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM, tbridgeflickr <tom@welovedc.com> wrote:
Rob,
Two things absent your online university that may be causing you problems are fairness and respect for others. Comparing me to the Klan is as unfair as it gets, Rob. Just as I don't think anyone speaks for an entire population, it's unfair to group masses together and assume a single viewpoint among them.
Had I been in the neighborhood when B Cafe was looking for its liquor license, I would have supported it, though the presented materials given to the ANC were apparently cribbed heavily off your earlier ill-advised Adams Morgan theme. Certainly some of the tactics and choices that were made by others in the community were poorly chosen, and many do not support their choices, hence the outcry against the suspension of the license last year.
Your continued desire to paint all the white residents of Brookland with the brush of Sunday Abraham - and your delegation of me as a Klan member, something you know not to be true - expose you as less than an honest broker.
I'm revoking your tenure.
Tom> *Once again, what is the reason for protesting the Liquor Lic. and> My Dearest Tom,
>
> I am not planning to. I am not looking for friends like you. And so
> you and your cohorts get it, this is not about the Cafe - it is about the
> Double Standard and Racism that exists in what occurred. Everyone who comes
> to the Cafe loves it and like any other restaurant, service sometimes can
> be an issue. Anyways Tom, every time you are out, just look around you and
> understand this - 99.9999% of Black People you see feel the exact same way
> as I do about Everything I Have Been Saying - not just about the Cafe - but
> everything. Whether some of them like me or don't like me, we all agree on
> what I have been saying - and the reason that you and your wife skate
> around answering the questions is that you are being faced with the reality
> of your thoughts.
>
> Imagine when you tell me that I am "wrong", you are
> telling everyone Black that they are all wrong as well. The wonderful part
> is that there are Many Whites who share in our feeling and we know who they
> are. We can always tell from their smiles, their reactions, their
> language, etc., just like we can tell the racist ones from the same
> variables.
>
> SOOOOOOOOOO - The questions stand. Tell us what the reason for
> protesting was/is after 2.5 years. Remember, Manomale has ZERO
> PARKING!!!! And DON and Abigail PADOU lives almost EQUIDISTANT to both
> places and lives within "walking distance so they have no reason for
> "parking"!!
>
> So you know, there is no easy way to avoid a root canal when your teeth are
> so rotten since you have let your cavities get to the point of no return.
> And this is what Racism has come to - it is just like cavities; and not all
> are visible to the naked eye and often times, is not easy to detect - I am
> and we are your X-RAYs. You see, we can all sit in the LOOK SEE MORE (Luke
> C. Moore) school's auditorium and have this discussion. The After Party
> can be held at Turkey Thicket so I can put on my "John the Baptist Robe"
> and immerse you to cleanse your inner souls.
>
> The fact is, You, your wife, the Padous and the rest of your silent Klan
> just can't stand the fact that I say what I say and it makes you
> uncomfortable to the point of "punching me in the mouth". Like I said - the
> Professional Psychological term is "cognitive dissonance" - eventually it
> will bother you to the point of driving you crazy everytime you see me,
> read my name, and have to fae anyone Black - because we all see you and
> your Klan.
>
> So, you can keep your "ego" skeleton on if you like and eat PIZZA Everyday,
> but you and your wife can't convince us that you don't eat Mac and Cheese,
> Grilled and fried Fish, Coleslaw, Vegan Food, Curry, etc. Oh, let me not
> forget the awesome Beef and Turkey burgers!!! Maybe you only have a diet
> of Mexican and Italian. So you get it, unlike many, I am not betrothen to
> $$$, have no intentions of being "ANC" or any other political position, and
> ain't begging for no handouts, so I don't have to be quiet about the
> Tsunami of Racism that is laying Right Here in Brookland. We know
> which Whites are racist and who is not as soon as they open their mouth or
> write. What makes you think that this is any different here than in our
> National Arena where the same positions are being played out on a larger
> scale. We rather you just admit it as we know that numerically speaking,
> the %%% is usually very similiar in a "diverse" community as compared to
> the National %%.
>> COMBINED, no neg. issues, etc;. PRAY TELL US???*
> Protesting outdoor seating after 2.5 years of a business offering a better
> selection, great tasting food, community oriented more than all the rest> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:42 AM, tbridgeflickr <tom@...> wrote:
>
> Whether you like me or not, tell us why? We already know the reason but we
> would really like to hear yours since you so vehemently object to our
> reason????
>
> Understand this - imagine how an entire religion and almost an entire Race
> can portray Jesus as Blonde Hair and Blue Eyed, then this is nothing in
> comparison when you and the rest of your Klan are trying to hide from
> reality of your thoughts being anchored to the CORE of RACISM.
>
> So you know, I have made many mistakes in life and still paying for some
> but what I have written on these listserv should be looked at as an Online
> Education to some - everyone won't get it, only the ones open to growth and
> change. And by the way, I and the Cafe Definitely need the money
> but neither are for SALE. Know that I have never heard a disagreement from
> anyone who works at the Cafe about what I write. So, if you and the rest
> of your Klan don't ever patronize the Cafe or the Inn, it is your loss.
> The price for freedom has always been a costly one!
>
> Now, answer the question or we will all know for sure your true character.
>
> Rob Ramson
>
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Don't ever change, Rob.
> >> > --- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, Rob <indianrob@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Which part of Mr. Lumukanda's mother had been terminaly sick for a few
> > > months and sad to say, she passed on at the same time the application was
> > > made for the liq. lic.didn't you get. And of course, our favorite
> > > "journalist" and her so self righteous husband who fought abra on
> > > "procedure" chose to not publish that along with the lies that she
> > > witnessed Feeley trump up about complaints he admitted that he never got
> > > (in front of 3 commissioners). What happened to procedure then?? But
> > > before I backtrack and explain all the trumped up issues and nasty
> > tactics
> > > used to mobilize Whites in this community to protest using fear (ask
> > former
> > > commisioner Blair), I am going to simply ask you this --- So pray tell me
> > > after two and a half years of operating with a great menu and no
> > > disturbances, etc., what was the reason was for still appealing the
> > > original lic in the court of appeal for a second time and protesting the
> > > application for the outdoor lic. and expansion??
> > >
> > > Please humor me and Explain how you "understand" where the opposition
> > > came. If there was a reason to doubt, Black folks definitely only see
> > > racism as the reason now!! Are we all incapable of properly analyzing
> > this
> > > situatuon?? And you and others who continue to avoid the racist elephants
> > > in the room, says volumes. Or do you need the "N" word for you to get the
> > > message.
> > >
> > > FYI -- once again is this statement close enough for you -- (in writing
> > to
> > > the public) Mr. Lumukanda attire is that of the nation of islam -- signed
> > > "Christ's Servant". Pray help us understand!! We are listening!!!> > > On Aug 23, 2012 9:25 PM, "Tiffany Bridge" <tiffany@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM, <jeromepeloquin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> **
> >
> > > >>
> > > >> Still, having said that, here are a few rational if not impartial
> > > >> observations. If one just looks at the situation from a community
> > > >> perspective a few question come immediately to mind. First, two small
> > > >> commercial food businesses start in our neighborhood. One is
> > immediately
> > > >> set upon by the ANC, the local paper, and a number of other community
> > > >> members. Charges (unsubstantiated) are made, characters are attached,
> > and
> > > >> legal actions initiated. All charges, actions, and efforts are found
> > by
> > > >> ABRA to be baseless and a license is issued. Still, additional
> > charges are
> > > >> fabricated, license is suspended, charges are also found to be
> > baseless,
> > > >> license is restored ... after two years of clean operations and the
> > > >> accolades of the community, the first entity seeks to obtain an
> > outside
> > > >> seating permit. It is immediately challenged again by the same group
> > of
> > > >> disaffected citizens! I can assure you as an experienced business
> > person,
> > > >> that this has cost him and the establishments he owns hundreds of
> > thousands
> > > >> of dollars in lost revenue.
> > > >>
> > > >> Next case ... The second establishment applies for and receives a
> > permit
> > > >> without challenges and without any obstruction whatsoever. WHY!...?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > This is rather an oversimplification of what actually did happen.
> > > >
> > > > In the case of the BCafe, a significant part of the issue was that a
> > lot
> > > > of its original paperwork and licensing applications reused a lot of
> > info
> > > > from a separate business that had been planned for Adams Morgan, the
> > > > character of which was not at all like the BCafe that actually opened.
> > A
> > > > specific group of residents (not the whole community, but a specific
> > group)
> > > > opposed it on that basis. The subsequent issues with BCafe's liquor
> > license
> > > > were based on the plaintiff's assertion that ABRA had not followed its
> > own
> > > > rules and needed to take another look. This is not to say that I think
> > the
> > > > Cafe should not have been granted its license, only that I can
> > understand
> > > > where the opposition came from.
> > > >
> > > > In the case of Menomale, perhaps you missed the ridiculous kerfuffle
> > about
> > > > its license, in which the ANC commissioner originally opposed
> > Menomale's
> > > > liquor license based on the objections of the principal of the nearby
> > Noyes
> > > > school (who should have raised his objections through the DCPS process
> > > > created for that purpose, rather than improperly taking it to the ANC)
> > on
> > > > the grounds that children might *see alcohol being consumed* during
> > their
> >
> > > > walk home from school. Halfway through that thread, the ANC altered his
> > > > objection saying new information had come to light, but refused to say
> > what
> > > > it was for a couple of days. He finally admitted that it had recently
> > come
> > > > to his attention that there was a residential alcohol treatment
> > facility
> > > > near to Menomale's location that he was concerned about, but this
> > > > information hadn't come to light in any of the previous several months
> > when
> > > > a restaurant was obviously being built (a 5500 pound stone pizza oven
> > being
> > > > moved in and installed apparently didn't raise any alarms), and only
> > came
> > > > to light shortly before the hearing. In any case, the ANC dropped his
> > > > objection after Menomale agreed to not serve alcohol between 2 and 5.
> > > >
> > > > But if we're going to have this conversation about Rob and me,
> > > > personally... I really must point out that at no point did I oppose the
> > > > granting of any kind of license to the BCafe, and when its license was
> > > > temporarily suspended, I was as shocked and dismayed as anybody. In
> > fact,
> > > > the first time I heard the name Rob Ramson was on the listserve thread
> > > > about it, in which I expressed support for the Cafe and, somehow, he
> > felt
> > > > the need to attack not just me, but several neighbors who supported the
> > > > Cafe but had the gall to think there might have been an explanation
> > for the
> > > > opposition, for doing so. So I'm really not sure why I am bearing the
> > brunt
> > > > of Rob's ire over that (indeed frustrating) situation, but I do know
> > that
> > > > it was his behavior toward the people who spoke up in support of his
> > > > business that convinced me I wasn't interested in visiting the BCafe
> > > > anymore. I'm sure he IS very frustrated by the whole thing, and I don't
> > > > blame him, but that's not at all an excuse for the abuse he heaps on
> > people
> > > > who actually HAD been on his side.
> > > >
> > > > Which is why I continue to find it perplexing that any time I express
> > > > appreciation of a business I happen to enjoy patronizing, Rob suggests
> > that
> > > > I go to THAT business over HIS business because of some nefarious form
> > of
> > > > bias. Speaking only for myself, I go to Menomale over the Cafe because
> > 1.
> > > > The food is more to my personal liking, and 2. The owners do not
> > choose to
> > > > attack me in every possible public forum over the slightest imagined
> > > > provocation. I assure you, if Leland and Ettore treated me the way Rob
> > > > does, I wouldn't eat at their place, either.
> > > >
> > > > So yes, I actually do think it's too much to ask to show Rob a little
> > > > support at this point, because I've seen how Rob treats people who
> > express
> > > > support for him.
> > > >
> > > > -Tiffany in Brookland
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>> --
> R. Ramson
> 3744 12th Street, N.E.,
> Washington D.C., 20017
> 202-438-5988
>
> "We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
> (Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
>
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202-438-5988
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3744 12th Street, N.E.,
Washington D.C., 20017
202-438-5988
"We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
(Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
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