Good Morning Allison,
That sounds so sweet, calm, angelic and wonderful and altruistic!! "OH! I just want "world peace" here on the listserv". How many times have I and Others been attacked here on the Listserve and you have said nothing?? Seriously lady?? But of course, just because it is me and you want me silenced as I make WAAAAAAAY TOOOOOOO much sense. There is not ONE point that can be sensibly argued against what I have said.
Let me explain the mathematics involved - especially the geometry of your statement - "I have no opinion about the BCafe situation". "Not having an opinion" of such a publicaly explained racist, prejudiced, harrassing attack on a the most COMMUNITY INVOLVED business in your community is the epitome of all that I have been addressing. By now, everyone who have read anything should have an opinion, including you - that's why I am repetitive so you can't say you didn't know and pretend to be "uninformed". Like I always say, Opposite angles are congruent!!! By saying what you said says you have a position - but just a silent support for the Padous, Tom and the rest.
You should be asking Tom - Why don't you answer the question being asked - After 2.5 years, ..... what is the reason for the Protest. Maybe you should take a shot at answering it yourself since you have "no opinion" / no position.
The real question is WHY DON'T YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON SUCH A CONTROVERSIAL SITUATION IN YOUR COMMUNITY? As for Slander, What about all the direct "Slander" that has occurred about Me, My Inn, the Cafe, and the Racially Religious written statement about Mr. Lumukanda that has been identified as taken place. Do you think I made that up?? You should have questioned why I have been called a Drug Dealer, Money Launderer, Owned a Whore House, Sell Drugs, etc.
Since you want to be so solution based, when I identified a White Man masquerading as a Black Man to be devisive and sway votes and public opinion, you should have stepped forward and questioned this Man and suggested that our "Moderator" ask the man to identify themself or suspend them. How about that for Keeping CIVILITY?
When Tom asked for someone to "punch me in the mouth", I didn't see you ask that he be "moderated" or suspended for VOCALIZING VIOLENT THOUGHTS towards ME. So, don't tell me that you don't have an opinion. We weren't born yesterday.
FOR CLARIFICATION - While you and others may like to keep saying that this about me, once again this is not about me. I am just utilizing this 3+ year Attack to identify all the bubbling Racial issues laying under the surface of "DIVERSE" community. How many times do I have to identify the language and the thoughts as well as the actions??? What does it take for you and the rest who share your thoughts to get this.
My Writings is about the Oppressiveness of the folks who are vocally involved and their silent supporters who don't want to face their Racist Cored thoughts. This is Cancerous to the entire Community. So when you are ready to be more fair in your Security Guard duties on "Civility", we are ready. Until then, don't talk to us like we are idiots; we hear you loud and Clear. I keep telling you about a "Woman's" fart - silent, but it still smells!!!
Since you have "no opinion", when last have you eaten at the Cafe or do you just eat Pizza like Tiffany. Oh, I forgot - According to Tom, "I am the reason why Ward 5 doesn't have nice places"!! Really Lady!!
So I quote: Silence when one should protest makes COWARDS of men - Abraham Lincoln.
Rob Ramson
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 8:22 AM, allisonhstewart <allisonstewart@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob,
It is not about what I think, it's about maintaining respect and a slander-less environment for good conversation. And it may come as a surprise to you but I have no opinion about the BCafe situation - not everything in this world is about you. I was making an appeal to civility and to an actually MODERATED listserv - one that serves more than just a few people.
Allison> Allison,> were "and the rest of *your silent* Klan" (which is supportive group of
>
> I could care less about what you think. Anyone who is going to support
> what the Protesters did can wear whatever shoe that fits. Please the words> items for free!!**
> individuals about this particular topic). Maybe it is the ebonics in me
> and I just can't spell just like LOOK SEE MORE!!
>
> Why don't you answer the question - After 2.5 years, what was the reason
> for the protest? And why wasn't Manomale Protested the same? I got it -
> you only eat pizza too!!
>
> Add this as well - Here is a question for you to chew on - When I exposed
> the White Man for pretending to be Black on this list serv to create
> dissention by trying to Willie Lynch us, where was your comment about
> putting him off the internet. Or did I miss that.
>
> Why don't you simply press delete when you see my name come up. Then you
> won't have to read about the truth. This Ward Five listserv allows for
> discussions other than Cats, Dogs, Repairs, items for sale and household
> **> <allisonstewart@...>wrote:
>
> Your request should be denied for reason of FAILURE TO BE FAIR AND
> OBJECTIVE! Pleas Press Delete.
>
> Rob Ramson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:52 PM, allisonhstewart
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I don't think a warning is enough here - it is completely unacceptable for
> > Rob to accuse anyone of being a Klan member. What exactly would someone
> > have to do to get moderated or kicked off, if not this?
> >
> > Allison
> >
> >> > --- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, KPW <WKPW3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's not bring other people's name in this or make inferences or
> > accusations.
> > >
> > >
> > > Can we move on and let's try to promote restaurants in Ward 5 as
> > positively as possible. To some, the issue is racism, to others it is
> > something else. This may not be the best forum to achieve goal of
> > understanding and cooperation wanted. Menomale has set a precedent now for
> > how businesses are to be treated and get access quickly to services and
> > permits.
> > >
> > >
> > > Moderator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob <indianrob@>> > > To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>; Ward 5 Google Groups <
> > wardfive@googlegroups.com>
> > > Sent: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:15 am
> > > Subject: Re: [ward5] [WardFive] Re: [Brookland] Re: Lunch at Menomale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My Dearest Tom,
> > >
> > > I am not planning to. I am not looking for friends like you. And so you
> > and your cohorts get it, this is not about the Cafe - it is about the
> > Double Standard and Racism that exists in what occurred. Everyone who comes
> > to the Cafe loves it and like any other restaurant, service sometimes can
> > be an issue. Anyways Tom, every time you are out, just look around you and
> > understand this - 99.9999% of Black People you see feel the exact same way
> > as I do about Everything I Have Been Saying - not just about the Cafe - but
> > everything. Whether some of them like me or don't like me, we all agree on
> > what I have been saying - and the reason that you and your wife skate
> > around answering the questions is that you are being faced with the reality
> > of your thoughts.
> > >
> > > Imagine when you tell me that I am "wrong", you are telling everyone
> > Black that they are all wrong as well. The wonderful part is that there are
> > Many Whites who share in our feeling and we know who they are. We can
> > always tell from their smiles, their reactions, their language, etc., just
> > like we can tell the racist ones from the same variables.
> > >
> > > SOOOOOOOOOO - The questions stand. Tell us what the reason for
> > protesting was/is after 2.5 years. Remember, Manomale has ZERO PARKING!!!!
> > And DON and Abigail PADOU lives almost EQUIDISTANT to both places and lives
> > within "walking distance so they have no reason for "parking"!!
> > >
> > > So you know, there is no easy way to avoid a root canal when your teeth
> > are so rotten since you have let your cavities get to the point of no
> > return. And this is what Racism has come to - it is just like cavities; and
> > not all are visible to the naked eye and often times, is not easy to detect
> > - I am and we are your X-RAYs. You see, we can all sit in the LOOK SEE MORE
> > (Luke C. Moore) school's auditorium and have this discussion. The After
> > Party can be held at Turkey Thicket so I can put on my "John the Baptist
> > Robe" and immerse you to cleanse your inner souls.
> > >
> > > The fact is, You, your wife, the Padous and the rest of your silent Klan
> > just can't stand the fact that I say what I say and it makes you
> > uncomfortable to the point of "punching me in the mouth". Like I said - the
> > Professional Psychological term is "cognitive dissonance" - eventually it
> > will bother you to the point of driving you crazy everytime you see me,
> > read my name, and have to fae anyone Black - because we all see you and
> > your Klan.
> > >
> > > So, you can keep your "ego" skeleton on if you like and eat PIZZA
> > Everyday, but you and your wife can't convince us that you don't eat Mac
> > and Cheese, Grilled and fried Fish, Coleslaw, Vegan Food, Curry, etc. Oh,
> > let me not forget the awesome Beef and Turkey burgers!!! Maybe you only
> > have a diet of Mexican and Italian. So you get it, unlike many, I am not
> > betrothen to $$$, have no intentions of being "ANC" or any other political
> > position, and ain't begging for no handouts, so I don't have to be quiet
> > about the Tsunami of Racism that is laying Right Here in Brookland. We know
> > which Whites are racist and who is not as soon as they open their mouth or
> > write. What makes you think that this is any different here than in our
> > National Arena where the same positions are being played out on a larger
> > scale. We rather you just admit it as we know that numerically speaking,
> > the %%% is usually very similiar in a "diverse" community as compared to
> > the National %%.
> > >
> > > Once again, what is the reason for protesting the Liquor Lic. and
> > Protesting outdoor seating after 2.5 years of a business offering a better
> > selection, great tasting food, community oriented more than all the rest
> > COMBINED, no neg. issues, etc;. PRAY TELL US???
> > >
> > > Whether you like me or not, tell us why? We already know the reason but
> > we would really like to hear yours since you so vehemently object to our
> > reason????
> > >
> > > Understand this - imagine how an entire religion and almost an entire
> > Race can portray Jesus as Blonde Hair and Blue Eyed, then this is nothing
> > in comparison when you and the rest of your Klan are trying to hide from
> > reality of your thoughts being anchored to the CORE of RACISM.
> > >
> > > So you know, I have made many mistakes in life and still paying for some
> > but what I have written on these listserv should be looked at as an Online
> > Education to some - everyone won't get it, only the ones open to growth and
> > change. And by the way, I and the Cafe Definitely need the money but
> > neither are for SALE. Know that I have never heard a disagreement from
> > anyone who works at the Cafe about what I write. So, if you and the rest of
> > your Klan don't ever patronize the Cafe or the Inn, it is your loss. The
> > price for freedom has always been a costly one!
> > >
> > > Now, answer the question or we will all know for sure your true
> > character.
> > >
> > > Rob Ramson
> > >
> > >> > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:42 AM, tbridgeflickr <tom@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't ever change, Rob.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, Rob <indianrob@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Which part of Mr. Lumukanda's mother had been terminaly sick for a few
> > > > months and sad to say, she passed on at the same time the application
> > was
> > > > made for the liq. lic.didn't you get. And of course, our favorite
> > > > "journalist" and her so self righteous husband who fought abra on
> > > > "procedure" chose to not publish that along with the lies that she
> > > > witnessed Feeley trump up about complaints he admitted that he never
> > got
> > > > (in front of 3 commissioners). What happened to procedure then?? But
> > > > before I backtrack and explain all the trumped up issues and nasty
> > tactics
> > > > used to mobilize Whites in this community to protest using fear (ask
> > former
> > > > commisioner Blair), I am going to simply ask you this --- So pray tell
> > me
> > > > after two and a half years of operating with a great menu and no
> > > > disturbances, etc., what was the reason was for still appealing the
> > > > original lic in the court of appeal for a second time and protesting
> > the
> > > > application for the outdoor lic. and expansion??
> > > >
> > > > Please humor me and Explain how you "understand" where the opposition
> > > > came. If there was a reason to doubt, Black folks definitely only see
> > > > racism as the reason now!! Are we all incapable of properly analyzing
> > this
> > > > situatuon?? And you and others who continue to avoid the racist
> > elephants
> > > > in the room, says volumes. Or do you need the "N" word for you to get
> > the
> > > > message.
> > > >
> > > > FYI -- once again is this statement close enough for you -- (in
> > writing to
> > > > the public) Mr. Lumukanda attire is that of the nation of islam --
> > signed
> > > > "Christ's Servant". Pray help us understand!! We are listening!!!
> > >
> > > > On Aug 23, 2012 9:25 PM, "Tiffany Bridge" <tiffany@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM, <jeromepeloquin@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> **
> > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Still, having said that, here are a few rational if not impartial
> > > > >> observations. If one just looks at the situation from a community
> > > > >> perspective a few question come immediately to mind. First, two
> > small
> > > > >> commercial food businesses start in our neighborhood. One is
> > immediately
> > > > >> set upon by the ANC, the local paper, and a number of other
> > community
> > > > >> members. Charges (unsubstantiated) are made, characters are
> > attached, and
> > > > >> legal actions initiated. All charges, actions, and efforts are
> > found by
> > > > >> ABRA to be baseless and a license is issued. Still, additional
> > charges are
> > > > >> fabricated, license is suspended, charges are also found to be
> > baseless,
> > > > >> license is restored ... after two years of clean operations and the
> > > > >> accolades of the community, the first entity seeks to obtain an
> > outside
> > > > >> seating permit. It is immediately challenged again by the same
> > group of
> > > > >> disaffected citizens! I can assure you as an experienced business
> > person,
> > > > >> that this has cost him and the establishments he owns hundreds of
> > thousands
> > > > >> of dollars in lost revenue.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Next case ... The second establishment applies for and receives a
> > permit
> > > > >> without challenges and without any obstruction whatsoever. WHY!...?
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > This is rather an oversimplification of what actually did happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the case of the BCafe, a significant part of the issue was that a
> > lot
> > > > > of its original paperwork and licensing applications reused a lot of
> > info
> > > > > from a separate business that had been planned for Adams Morgan, the
> > > > > character of which was not at all like the BCafe that actually
> > opened. A
> > > > > specific group of residents (not the whole community, but a specific
> > group)
> > > > > opposed it on that basis. The subsequent issues with BCafe's liquor
> > license
> > > > > were based on the plaintiff's assertion that ABRA had not followed
> > its own
> > > > > rules and needed to take another look. This is not to say that I
> > think the
> > > > > Cafe should not have been granted its license, only that I can
> > understand
> > > > > where the opposition came from.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the case of Menomale, perhaps you missed the ridiculous kerfuffle
> > about
> > > > > its license, in which the ANC commissioner originally opposed
> > Menomale's
> > > > > liquor license based on the objections of the principal of the
> > nearby Noyes
> > > > > school (who should have raised his objections through the DCPS
> > process
> > > > > created for that purpose, rather than improperly taking it to the
> > ANC) on
> > >
> > > > > the grounds that children might *see alcohol being consumed* during
> > their
> > >
> > > > > walk home from school. Halfway through that thread, the ANC altered
> > his
> > > > > objection saying new information had come to light, but refused to
> > say what
> > > > > it was for a couple of days. He finally admitted that it had
> > recently come
> > > > > to his attention that there was a residential alcohol treatment
> > facility
> > > > > near to Menomale's location that he was concerned about, but this
> > > > > information hadn't come to light in any of the previous several
> > months when
> > > > > a restaurant was obviously being built (a 5500 pound stone pizza
> > oven being
> > > > > moved in and installed apparently didn't raise any alarms), and only
> > came
> > > > > to light shortly before the hearing. In any case, the ANC dropped his
> > > > > objection after Menomale agreed to not serve alcohol between 2 and 5.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if we're going to have this conversation about Rob and me,
> > > > > personally... I really must point out that at no point did I oppose
> > the
> > > > > granting of any kind of license to the BCafe, and when its license
> > was
> > > > > temporarily suspended, I was as shocked and dismayed as anybody. In
> > fact,
> > > > > the first time I heard the name Rob Ramson was on the listserve
> > thread
> > > > > about it, in which I expressed support for the Cafe and, somehow, he
> > felt
> > > > > the need to attack not just me, but several neighbors who supported
> > the
> > > > > Cafe but had the gall to think there might have been an explanation
> > for the
> > > > > opposition, for doing so. So I'm really not sure why I am bearing
> > the brunt
> > > > > of Rob's ire over that (indeed frustrating) situation, but I do know
> > that
> > > > > it was his behavior toward the people who spoke up in support of his
> > > > > business that convinced me I wasn't interested in visiting the BCafe
> > > > > anymore. I'm sure he IS very frustrated by the whole thing, and I
> > don't
> > > > > blame him, but that's not at all an excuse for the abuse he heaps on
> > people
> > > > > who actually HAD been on his side.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is why I continue to find it perplexing that any time I express
> > > > > appreciation of a business I happen to enjoy patronizing, Rob
> > suggests that
> > > > > I go to THAT business over HIS business because of some nefarious
> > form of
> > > > > bias. Speaking only for myself, I go to Menomale over the Cafe
> > because 1.
> > > > > The food is more to my personal liking, and 2. The owners do not
> > choose to
> > > > > attack me in every possible public forum over the slightest imagined
> > > > > provocation. I assure you, if Leland and Ettore treated me the way
> > Rob
> > > > > does, I wouldn't eat at their place, either.
> > > > >
> > > > > So yes, I actually do think it's too much to ask to show Rob a little
> > > > > support at this point, because I've seen how Rob treats people who
> > express
> > > > > support for him.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Tiffany in Brookland
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > R. Ramson
> > > 3744 12th Street, N.E.,
> > > Washington D.C., 20017
> > > 202-438-5988
> > >
> > > "We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
> > > (Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> R. Ramson
> 3744 12th Street, N.E.,
> Washington D.C., 20017
> 202-438-5988
>
> "We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
> (Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
>
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