I made pizza at home last night. Not sure what that says about me.Matt
Sent from my iPhoneIt's amazing that 'eating pizza' is now Ward 5 code for 'being racist' but when someone chooses not to eat at said pizza place they are called anti-community. And with over 50 Yelp reviews I understand if you couldn't locate mine, but it wasn't "bad" and it did give the owners constructive feedback (the point of Yelp, if you're unfamiliar with it.) I expect to be back at each restaurant at some point - but with a limited budget it takes a while for me to get back to a place that doesn't 'wow' me.
As Jerome said (though he meant it differently, I think) I am not sure why I continue to try to make any headway on civility in this forum. But I DO know that just because I cannot speak against injustive in every instance does not mean I do not have a responsibility to speak against injustice when I am able.
Allison
--- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, Rob <indianrob@...> wrote:
>
> For What? So that she can complain about tripping over the Beautiful
> Flowers to get through the door? She is good right where she is - in the
> sidewalk section of the Neil Armstrong MOON Cafe!! The people who come to
> the cafe want to come because they are open minded, fair and realizes the
> truth about what has happened and is still happening!! I will respond to
> the rest of her nonsense later.
>
> So she knows - she and the rest can enjoy those MOON Rocks!!! Imagine - *she
> feels pride in leaving a bad comment on Yelp about Manomale* who just
> opened and is operated by two very nice young men in their first crack at
> entrepeneurship in our neighborhood - who also live here now!! Clueless of
> growing a community!!
>
> So the rest of you know, it is not "ego" or "arrogance" but *Pride* in *
> CHARACTER*!! Being this prejudicial about who she chooses to "request" off
> of the Listserv shows her true colors!
>
> Rob
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Debbie Smith-Steiner <DLSmith112@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Well stop by now
> >
> > Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached
> > in life, as by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.
> >
> > Booker T. Washington
> >
> > On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:34 AM, "allisonhstewart" <allisonstewart@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob - If BCafe is the restaurant across from Yes!, we went there a couple
> > of years ago to eat and were informed that there was no chef and therefore
> > no food. It wasn't a pleasant experience, so we haven't returned. We also
> > went to Menomale once and were not impressed, so we haven't been back. (You
> > can read my Yelp review if you don't believe me.)
> >
> > Jerome - I completely agree that this listserv should be used for
> > community dialogue. That's what a majority of the posts are, and why I stay
> > on the list. I have hope for more dialogue in the future but I can't say
> > that's what's happening now.
> >
> > And if I need to be moderated for highlighting uncivil language and
> > requesting civility, but calling someone a Klan member without any basis
> > (or apology) does not bring on moderation, there is something truly wrong
> > with this forum, and perhaps society.
> >
> > Allison
> >
> > --- In ward5@yahoogroups.com, jeromepeloquin@ wrote:
> > >
> > > My response to Allison - The truth is a one-hundred percent effective
> > > defense against libel ... Rob calls it as he sees it ...as do others.
> > > If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck ...guess what? IT IS A
> > > DUCK.
> > >
> > > No one is attacking Menomale ... it is a fine quality cafe and we all
> > > should patronize it ... most of us do. The point is that comparisons
> > > are being made to illustrate a fractious state of affairs that exists
> > > here in our community! A cancer is growing ... we thought it was in
> > > remission but it raised its ugly head once more ... it has metastasized
> > > ... or perhaps it has been imported by recent additions to the
> > > community. In any event sweeping it under the rug and ignoring it as
> > > KPW seems to want to do is NOT the answer.
> > >
> > > Prejudice and racism are often subtle, often oblique, and often
> > > concealed as the perpitrators are often cowards who prefer to strike
> > > from the shadows ... to disguise themselves as "upstanding," and "fair
> > > minded." The road to social justice must pass through economic
> > > justice. By attacking the BCafe and indirectly the Brookland Inn, the
> > > racists are showing their colors.
> > >
> > > I say use this to engage all parties in an open dialog on racism here
> > > in Brookland. Ask any African American you meet if you think racism
> > > exists here....anyone!
> > >
> > > Instead of banning people from this List serve, we should be using it
> > > to engage in a community dialog and set the stage for a formal
> > > community town meeting ... I'd be glad to run it if anyone would
> > > support it. My experience however is that most are willing to talk but
> > > few seem willing to act.
> > >
> > > Prove me wrong! (double dare)
> > >
> > > Jerry in pro active mode
> > >
> > > ----- Original message -----
> > > From: allisonhstewart <[1]allisonstewart@>
> > > To:
> > > [2]ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoo
> > > groups.com
> > > Subject: Moderator Re: [ward5] [WardFive] Re: [Brookland] Re: Lunch at
> > > Menomale
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:52:42 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't think a warning is enough here - it is completely unacceptable
> > > for Rob to accuse anyone of being a Klan member. What exactly would
> > > someone have to do to get moderated or kicked off, if not this?
> > > Allison
> > > --- In
> > > [3]ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoo
> > > groups.com, KPW <WKPW3@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let's not bring other people's name in this or make inferences or
> > > accusations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can we move on and let's try to promote restaurants in Ward 5 as
> > > positively as possible. To some, the issue is racism, to others it is
> > > something else. This may not be the best forum to achieve goal of
> > > understanding and cooperation wanted. Menomale has set a precedent now
> > > for how businesses are to be treated and get access quickly to services
> > > and permits.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Moderator
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rob <indianrob@>
> > > > To: ward5
> > > <[4]ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yaho
> > > ogroups.com>; Ward 5 Google Groups <[5]wardfive@googlegroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:15 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [ward5] [WardFive] Re: [Brookland] Re: Lunch at Menomale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My Dearest Tom,
> > > >
> > > > I am not planning to. I am not looking for friends like you. And so
> > > you and your cohorts get it, this is not about the Cafe - it is about
> > > the Double Standard and Racism that exists in what occurred. Everyone
> > > who comes to the Cafe loves it and like any other restaurant, service
> > > sometimes can be an issue. Anyways Tom, every time you are out, just
> > > look around you and understand this - 99.9999% of Black People you see
> > > feel the exact same way as I do about Everything I Have Been Saying -
> > > not just about the Cafe - but everything. Whether some of them like me
> > > or don't like me, we all agree on what I have been saying - and the
> > > reason that you and your wife skate around answering the questions is
> > > that you are being faced with the reality of your thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Imagine when you tell me that I am "wrong", you are telling everyone
> > > Black that they are all wrong as well. The wonderful part is that there
> > > are Many Whites who share in our feeling and we know who they are. We
> > > can always tell from their smiles, their reactions, their language,
> > > etc., just like we can tell the racist ones from the same variables.
> > > >
> > > > SOOOOOOOOOO - The questions stand. Tell us what the reason for
> > > protesting was/is after 2.5 years. Remember, Manomale has ZERO
> > > PARKING!!!! And DON and Abigail PADOU lives almost EQUIDISTANT to both
> > > places and lives within "walking distance so they have no reason for
> > > "parking"!!
> > > >
> > > > So you know, there is no easy way to avoid a root canal when your
> > > teeth are so rotten since you have let your cavities get to the point
> > > of no return. And this is what Racism has come to - it is just like
> > > cavities; and not all are visible to the naked eye and often times, is
> > > not easy to detect - I am and we are your X-RAYs. You see, we can all
> > > sit in the LOOK SEE MORE (Luke C. Moore) school's auditorium and have
> > > this discussion. The After Party can be held at Turkey Thicket so I can
> > > put on my "John the Baptist Robe" and immerse you to cleanse your inner
> > > souls.
> > > >
> > > > The fact is, You, your wife, the Padous and the rest of your silent
> > > Klan just can't stand the fact that I say what I say and it makes you
> > > uncomfortable to the point of "punching me in the mouth". Like I said -
> > > the Professional Psychological term is "cognitive dissonance" -
> > > eventually it will bother you to the point of driving you crazy
> > > everytime you see me, read my name, and have to fae anyone Black -
> > > because we all see you and your Klan.
> > > >
> > > > So, you can keep your "ego" skeleton on if you like and eat PIZZA
> > > Everyday, but you and your wife can't convince us that you don't eat
> > > Mac and Cheese, Grilled and fried Fish, Coleslaw, Vegan Food, Curry,
> > > etc. Oh, let me not forget the awesome Beef and Turkey burgers!!! Maybe
> > > you only have a diet of Mexican and Italian. So you get it, unlike
> > > many, I am not betrothen to $$$, have no intentions of being "ANC" or
> > > any other political position, and ain't begging for no handouts, so I
> > > don't have to be quiet about the Tsunami of Racism that is laying Right
> > > Here in Brookland. We know which Whites are racist and who is not as
> > > soon as they open their mouth or write. What makes you think that this
> > > is any different here than in our National Arena where the same
> > > positions are being played out on a larger scale. We rather you just
> > > admit it as we know that numerically speaking, the %%% is usually very
> > > similiar in a "diverse" community as compared to the Nation al %%.
> > > >
> > > > Once again, what is the reason for protesting the Liquor Lic. and
> > > Protesting outdoor seating after 2.5 years of a business offering a
> > > better selection, great tasting food, community oriented more than all
> > > the rest COMBINED, no neg. issues, etc;. PRAY TELL US???
> > > >
> > > > Whether you like me or not, tell us why? We already know the reason
> > > but we would really like to hear yours since you so vehemently object
> > > to our reason????
> > > >
> > > > Understand this - imagine how an entire religion and almost an entire
> > > Race can portray Jesus as Blonde Hair and Blue Eyed, then this is
> > > nothing in comparison when you and the rest of your Klan are trying to
> > > hide from reality of your thoughts being anchored to the CORE of
> > > RACISM.
> > > >
> > > > So you know, I have made many mistakes in life and still paying for
> > > some but what I have written on these listserv should be looked at as
> > > an Online Education to some - everyone won't get it, only the ones open
> > > to growth and change. And by the way, I and the Cafe Definitely need
> > > the money but neither are for SALE. Know that I have never heard a
> > > disagreement from anyone who works at the Cafe about what I write. So,
> > > if you and the rest of your Klan don't ever patronize the Cafe or the
> > > Inn, it is your loss. The price for freedom has always been a costly
> > > one!
> > > >
> > > > Now, answer the question or we will all know for sure your true
> > > character.
> > > >
> > > > Rob Ramson
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:42 AM, tbridgeflickr <tom@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't ever change, Rob.
> > > >
> > > >
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