[WardFive] RE: [ward5] Grosso's win - Drama Fatigue, not Race, was the main Factor

Monday, 12 November 2012

[WardFive] RE: [ward5] Grosso's win - Drama Fatigue, not Race, was the main Factor

Thanks Rob,

Your message below has to be dealt with. We cannot continue to go around acting like what is happening in America does not exist.

Peace and Love,

ANC Commissioner 5A09

Shirley Rivens Smith, President

US Africa Sister Cities Foundation, Inc.

DC-Dakar

2000 Upshur St., NE

Washington, DC 20018

www.usasc.org

202-635-3138

From: ward5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ward5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:09 PM
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com; Ward 5 Google Groups
Subject: Re: [ward5] Grosso's win - Drama Fatigue, not Race, was the main Factor

Not a problem.

So others are clear - How many Blacks do you think voted for Grosso - since the Question was raised "Maybe DG was just a better candidate". Really, and only certain areas of Wards were sensible enough to see how "better" he may have been.

I just want us to live in a real world. Kind of like a week ago when I was sitting with a White friend that made the statement "well the Jim Crows laws were done away in the 50's". My answer to him is that to many Whites, becuase Jim Crow laws were done away with, not much changed for a very long time. Now, some have just evolved.

Be Black and get caught with some weed. Now because some want to ease pain, it becomes legal but when folks wanted to ease pain of generational oppression, they got locked up. Trust me, if Black people's Bodies were the only ones that MM relieved pain from (let's say for whatever reason), there would be no Medical Marijuana.

Please let's start being real with each other. I hope you all viewed the Koch Video and realize the Who(s) and the what's behind "Santa's" Workshops. It's just a different type of Blanket of Small Pox for a different Nation years later. It will take a majority of all of us working together to make a difference.

Who knows who is really behind the School Closures and Why. Let's get together and create a balance of the DCPS and Charter Schools so they could co-exist as the end goal is educating our children through stronger schools.

Rob Ramson.

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:08 PM, KPW <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:

Thought this subject line title would make more sense. As usual, I was multitasking, not proofreading. and making typos, grammatical errors, and pure nonsense for the uninitiated.

KPW

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: [ward5] Grosso's win - Tired of Drama, no Race, was the X Factor

I don't understand the title of this post. Identifying Race as the factor is not implying RACISM so there is no drama. There is a huge difference so me mentioning Race being the factor is not about me causing drama. It is just identifying why the votes fell where they did. Like Jeff and I spoke earlier, what if Brown was White?? Look at Jim and Jack - they have issues and still get re-elected. Seems like their constituents forgive them so why would Brown's "issues" distract them from voting for him. Maybe now, Brown has a reality check showing up on the day he has to vacate his office. Life for now is what it is.

Race would have been the factor if all the other Candidates were White and Brown won being black. They seem to be all good candidates for the simple reason that they were in the election and there was no issues other than Brown's off duty issues.

Like I said, I respect Grosso for the fact that he knew that there was a great chance that the numbers would fall his way and they did!! Good for him. We will see how he approaches things, his ability to serve needs more than wants and whether or not he will hold onto his clean slate. Right now, he has an A+.

For Perspective -- So you understand this re-election of President Obama -- understand that he didn't win because Blacks only voted for him -- he won because White Women didn't want their rights taken from them, and Hispanics didn't want the Wall to be built any higher than it already is!! Don't let those electoral votes fool you, just be thankful that Many Republicans are who they are by nature and nurture so they shot themselves in the foot time and time again!!

Rob Ramson

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, kingjulianne@yahoo.com <kingjulianne@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes it is. If Grosso didn't win Ward 5, he will have an uphill reelection battle.

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----- Reply message -----
From: "Aaron McCormick" <aaron.mccormick01@gmail.com>
To: <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ward5] Grosso's win - Tired of Drama, no Race, was the X Factor
Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:38 PM

Okay people the issue he was the money that was taken by the treasure of the campaign not the campaign manager. Second I was ask to help out his campaign and I did but CM Brown is more humble than people know and I hope he does make a come back in the near future.

Grosso won off the split of votes. Period which they know so he also know that he did not win ward 5 and so the list for him grows long for support come 2016. The real problem is that his head and Tommy Wells think they can make the changes without the black vote not so. So the game is on.!

Aaron

On Nov 10, 2012 4:27 PM, "KPW" <WKPW3@aol.com> wrote:

By the way, Brown may want to take a break and get his personal life in order before he runs again. I see his house is up for sale. Maybe that will help lessen some of the financial drama. I don't know about the campaign funds and the campaign manager drama though.

-----Original Message-----
From: KPW <WKPW3@aol.com>
To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: [ward5] Grosso's win - Race was the X Factor

I think this is the reason many people didn't support Brown. There has just been too much drama in a few years. Many people are wondering who will be the next person to go down. Many people didn't/don't know Grosso and that may be why some stuck with Brown. I think it was the drama more than race and Grosso's name was out there so he was the alternative. This is not to say that Grosso is not a good person.

No burdened by the appearance of schandel. Michael Brown probally would have sailed to reelection if it were not for HTJ and KB. Following those two very traumatic experiences, voters, maybe not rightfully but maybe so, decided to not vote for someone with baggage. MB is a nice man, and was a good Council Member, but to be frank a privileged black man from upper northwest isn't going to get to play the poor black guy card.

KPW

-----Original Message-----
From: RobbyCU <RobbyCU@yahoo.com>
To: ward5 <ward5@yahoogroups.com>; wardfive <wardfive@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [ward5] Grosso's win - Race was the X Factor

Rob,

Could it be the DG was just a better candidiate. No burdened by the appearance of schandel. Michael Brown probally would have sailed to reelection if it were not for HTJ and KB. Following those two very traumatic experiences, voters, maybe not rightfully but maybe so, decided to not vote for someone with baggage. MB is a nice man, and was a good Council Member, but to be frank a privileged black man from upper northwest isn't going to get to play the poor black guy card. Surely DG is white, but more importantly he's now the CM elect.

So now two of the At-Large CMs are in Ward 5. Maybe instead of playing racial politics, we should actually work to build a Ward 5 coalition.

If MB is so inclined he can run in the spring along with AC Cooper. Two political dynasties at odds. And then there's Brian Weaver, and perhaps even Ms. Bonds. In the end, DC is surely going to vote in someone decent.

I know it's not popular but we do have some very decent progressive councilmembers. Of the newly elected members I'm fondest of our chair. I don't forsee scandal there, now as soon as I write this there's probally a police raid happening at this minute. LOL

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"In everything you do. Always be yourself"- Lee Hall, Billy Elliot

From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com; Ward 5 Google Groups <wardfive@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: [ward5] Grosso's win - Race was the X Factor

Jeff --

Getting back to your request that Jerry and I weigh in on this, here it is

After reading all the Gurus and their thought processes about Grosso's win, it was interesting that no one looked at it from the angle:

---What if Grosso was Black??

---How would this changed who Whites voted for?

When doing your re-calculation, I want you to remember, Grosso has had no history of doing anything in the community that we know of - at least not in Ward 5.

He - like so many others who ran for Ward 5 CM position don't speak up on anything or don't stand on anything but all of a sudden during election times, they care about education, seniors, community, etc.!!! Now, I don't have any issues with Grosso and like he and I spoke, his chances were pretty good considering how the votes would fall. The fact that Michael had some "issues", definitely helped but:

Do you really think that Whites would have voted for Grosso if he was Black and had the lack of a community record that he did?

Let's Be Real. Maybe Kenyan can put forth some legislation that prohibits sitting CM's from endorsing candidates so that they don't get to build their coalitions for their personal and "professional" gain.

Rob Ramson

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R. Ramson
3744 12th Street, N.E.,
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202-438-5988

"We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
(Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)

--
R. Ramson
3744 12th Street, N.E.,
Washington D.C., 20017
202-438-5988

"We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
(Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)