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From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Hypocrites and Crypto Racism
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From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Hypocrites and Crypto Racism
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com
Jake,
LET ME TEACH YOU SOMETHING --- for the 99%%%tile, we know who is Black and who is not. Black folks on a whole just don't say certain things and respond certain ways. We definitely know that the likelyhood that a combination of these varibles imperialist/entitled/elitist/etc. all in one concept is almost definitely a White Thought Process - hence being White or and UNCLE TOM.
Let's start there. I am off to Tennis with my daughter and will return to piss you off some more so you can continue to dine in "avoidance". Jerry is on it - and he doesn't have retracting jaws - just like me! You should have not invited us to "dinner".
Rob Ramson
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM, gaijinjb <jsberg@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't use a cover name, Jerry. From my email address you have my last name, which you used, and I signed the previous post with my first name. Like you, I used to live and work in Japan, which is where the pseudonym comes from.
As for being cryptic, I beg to differ. I thought Luke made a number of valuable points, which he stated more eloquently than I could. Nonetheless, to wit:
1) Gentrification is about class , which is sometimes, and perhaps all too often, about race as well. But there are black gentrifiers, and there are whites who are displaced. Painting it as a black-white issue glosses over these subtleties and nuances, as does calling people hypocrites and crypto racists.
2) Not everyone who leaves the community does so because of gentrification.
3) I support 901 Monroe as planned. I will patronize it. Unlike you, I do not find a "wholesale giveaway... that obliterates all green space." Instead, I see it as an excellent use of space across the street from a Metro station, and wish similar things would happen within a half-mile of most stations.
I am concerned about runoff with regards to McMillan, but I support some development there.
4) I find your use of race to be opportunistic and disgusting. I have no idea what color Allison Stewart's skin is, and the idea, implied by the posts of you and others, that her skin color, or mine, or anyone's, determines her opinion on Ward 5 matters is noxious. I hope that everyone can treat people as individuals, judged on their own merits. I have a hard time believing that you or anyone else would call someone a hypocrite or crypto racist to their face unless provoked, yet online you seem to have no problem tossing these terms around as insults. If you want dialogue, there are better ways to get it, Jerry.
Finally, I resent that just because I do not often participate in the sideshow that is the Ward 5 listserv I am labeled by you as "unengaged." There are more effective uses of my time, and I wish that was true of the twenty or so people who use this listserv.
Best,
Jake> Know the truth and it will set you free!
>
> I do not know who you (JS Berg) really are since you use a cover name.
> I do, however know what Gaijin means as I lived and worked in Japan.
> May i inquire as to your reasoning in choosing such a "descriptive,"
> pseudonym?
>
> My intention was and is, to get the attention of this list serve and to
> elicit responses such as yours, cryptic and unengaged as it may be.
> Please sir, do us the courtesy of commenting directly. Give us your
> opinion on the social and economic conditions that have caused this
> wholesale give way, or sell off of City property ... this massive
> effort at maximum density that obliterates all green space and kills
> valuable trees necessary for urban life. Share with us your insight
> into the economic and social divides that present such a challenge to
> our community. That would be helpful. Don't you agree Mr. Berg?
>
> Jerry in Inquiry
>
>
>
> ----- Original message -----> From: gaijinjb <[1]jsberg@...>> --- In [3]ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups.com, "dcluke@"
> To: [2]ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ward5] Re: Hypocrites and Crypto Racism
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:24:49 -0000
>
>
> Very well said, Luke. Thank you.
> Jerry, if you seek to "raise to the level of social discourse" in Ward
> 5, you could do a lot better than to call people "hypocrites" & "crypto
> racists."
> Best,
> Jake> > --- In [4]ward5@yahoogroups">ward5@yahoogroups.com, jeromepeloquin@
> <dcluke@> wrote:
> >
> > 1) Not all of these "newcomers" are white. I live in the EYA
> Chancellor's Row development (adjacent to St. Paul's) and there are
> many black families who live there. We also have white families with
> children and even white people who have moved into the affordable
> workforce homes. I've spoken to most of my Chancellor's Row neighbors
> and have yet to meet a single one who is opposed to the Monroe Street
> Market.
> >
> > 2) Many wealthy black professionals have opted to move into the
> suburbs rather than live in historically black neighborhoods in DC.
> There are black homeowners who are selling their homes at a healthy
> profit and leaving for the quiet suburban life. Not everyone who is
> leaving DC is pushed out by gentrification. Many people leaving the
> city are exercising their right to live in a community that they
> believe is most suitable for their families and they should be able to
> do so without being labeled "sellouts" or "Uncle Toms."
> >
> > 3) For years, the lack of development in Ward 5 was decried as a form
> of racial discrimination. That development is finally here. When we
> have mixed use developments, an arts district, a more diverse
> socio-economic mix, more shopping and dining, it will be harder to make
> Ward 5 the dumping ground for DC's undesirable or experimental
> projects, such as medical marijuana.
> >
> > I support Monroe Street Market and believe that it will enhance the
> quality of life for our neighborhood. Instead of the ugly concrete
> dorms and litter strewn vacant lots that existed before construction,
> we will have shopping, dining, and a vibrant arts community. I am
> hopeful that the enhanced lighting and public presence will serve to
> decrease violent crimes in the area.
> >
> > As for McMillan, the priority needs to be resolving the flooding in
> Bloomingdale and making certain that the congestion on North Capital is
> addressed.
> >
> > 4) The "racism" label is bandied about much too freely by some in our
> community. I have no idea who Allison Stewart is and what her motive
> was in asking her question, which seemed innocuous enough. But I can
> tell you that some people are reluctant to even engage on this listserv
> because they will be harassed and harangued and called names. We will
> not be able to have a productive conversation when every slight, real
> or perceived, is taken as a sign of racism,
> crypto-racism">crypto-racism, self-hatred or whatever. Let's pull back
> on the name calling and focus on the issues.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> References
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Citizen's of Ward Five
> > >
> > > It is my belief that this Yahoo Group needs to perform a deep and
> > > comprehensive examination of conscience (A uniquely Catholic
> concept).
> > > We should look into our collective hearts and ask ourselves, are we
> > > part of the solution or part of the problem? We need to consider
> the
> > > entire Ward 5 community and not just Edgewood, or Brookland or,
> > > whatever! We need to realize accept and yes, celebrate the cultural
> > > and social differences that are the basis of a plural culture such
> as
> > > we are blessed to have here in Washington DC. We need to come
> together
> > > ... not pull apart. People in Brookland need to be concerned about
> > > the people in close proximity to McMillan and the McMillan folks
> need
> > > to care for what happens to the resident adjacent to 901 Monroe.
> > >
> > > The last few years have been fraught with strife and conflict. Many
> of
> > > us opted for development at any cost. Anyone who used the term,
> "Smart
> > > Development," was branded a reactionary. As a result the developers
> > > and the large land owners (CUA, The Paulists) have been able to
> > > abrogate almost every agreement made in their one-sided, takeover
> of
> > > the center of Brookland. CUA was allowed to "warehouse," and tear
> down
> > > decent housing and sit on it for years waiting for this moment to
> "cash
> > > in." All of the religious orders who were given property here in
> > > Brookland are now getting ready to follow their lead. The result
> will
> > > most likely be devastating to this community.
> > >
> > > The divide between the long time largely African American community
> and
> > > the new, largely white, upward mobile young marrieds and others is
> > > growing and becoming very uncomfortable. This is especially evident
> in
> > > some of the rhetoric used on this List serve here in Ward 5. I am
> > > speaking specifially about the comments made about the nascent
> farmer's
> > > market being developed. Hazel Thoma is working diligently to create
> a
> > > farmers market, This is not an easy task. It took the Brookland
> > > Market a long time to get it together. I know because I used to
> play
> > > drums there when it was at Col Brooks Mansion. Only in the last
> year
> > > or so has it really taken off. Persistence is a key and Hazel has
> that
> > > for sure. Instead of supporting her, Allison Stewart asked a
> > > rhetorical and pointedly snide question, implying that Hazel's new
> > > farmers' market was too small and lacking resources!
> > >
> > > I don't know about you folks but I think that is an obvious insult
> to
> > > Hazel and to this community in general ... there will no doubt be
> loud
> > > cries of ... Oh, no, I just wanted to know who would be there this
> > > week! Ms. Stewart's comment is an obvious and obnoxious attempt at
> > > sarcasm, an attempt to belittle the efforts a long time community
> > > activist and exemplary citizen who is trying to improve the quality
> of
> > > life in this community! AND ...it ain't right!
> > >
> > > I'm signing off for now, but I'm not done!
> > >
> > > I'll be back!
> > >
> > > Jerry in Indignation
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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