Hello Elise,
Mr. Peloquin did address her post very nicely. You should go re-read. The GREAT thing is that you can't really say anything to him because Mr. Peloquin is White and even better, willing to admit to the racist era and area that he grew up in and being racist in part of his life. The fact that he was able to share his use of "neighborhood" vs. "Community" as he differentiated between Whites in communities and Blacks in communities is huge. So, those are things that are called BREAKTHROUGHS!! Maybe you should try having a Breakthrough sometime!! What I have come to respect about him is his willingness to listen, learn, admit -- WHICH ALLOWS for us to move forward. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SO MANY OF YOU WON'T DO BECAUSE IT MAKE YOU ADMIT BEING WRONG AND NOT SO "perfect"/white!!
So you KNOW ---- The conversation was fine and Mr. Peloquin did an awesome job of dealing with Allison being rude and thoughtless comment to Hazel. When Allison tried to explain - what we called JUSTIFY her statements, it just became more clear how she was not sincere and her intent was wrong from the beginning. In addition, if you look historically at her comments, you will get her positions. How many times have I exposed these code words whether they are racist, elitist, imperialist, entitled, and everything else. At what point do you and others say - you have a point, maybe 2, maybe 100 points that makes us so wrong. Howcome you don't call Mr. Peloquin "Jerry" a racist? But you quick to want to call me one -- Guess What? - I don't care what you say. I have self worth, I was raised with confidence and to not take CRAP from anyone and most, I understand BRITISH IMPERIALISM to its CORE - and it ain't no different here in Ward 5. For Sure - There needs to be a 13 step program for all who make comments that I have to address. The extra step is a penalty for AVOIDANCE to INFORMATION and REALITY!!
As for me, I am so tired of the insensitivity from so many Whites on these listservs and in this community - like you are somehow better. As simple as this sounds, do you know how many times I watch White Men come out of the Bathroom without washing their hands -- 9 -1 White to Black committing this nasty offense and I am almost always in places where the White Men seemed to be educated, have jobs, etc!! So this is not a "poor white trash" issue. And almost the same ratio with Even with Kids -- where do you think that they are getting the "not washing hands" from --- at home. This is no different than the other attitudes you have - like you are somehow better, cleaner, more intelligent, more educated, etc. Well, I hate to bust YO Bubble cause it ain't so!! Wait until you run into some of these simmering young Educated Blacks in our community - they are going to let you know. Try them in person.
Furthermore, it is hugely irritating to have Educated Whites continue to avoid the reality of their actions and words that are HUGELY OFFENSIVE. This is not the NFL and NBA where the referee only sees the retaliation. We are all reading and know who the offender is. This avoidance to the perpetrator is the usual approach for Whites who don't want to get it and Blacks like Robby and Mr. Animal Lover Lover from the Delano/Tim Day election nonsens.
The problem is that the Offending White Folks don't like being corrected or educated. That's too bad - get over it -- some of you are th most offensive and carry the greatest feeling of entitlement in this world. Blacks are very welcoming community but we don't want to be like the American Indians and welcome you with open arms while you are infecting us with diseases and trying to occupy everything and do things which are not in the best interest of our community, especially our children.
This time around, we are going to let you know that we don't want those blankets with the Small Pox -- like the school closures, like the Car Bar, like the Street Car, like the Extreme Over Bulding with an outdated infrastructure. Not this time - you are going to have to force wrap us with the insensitivity and we are going to CLUE you in so that when the Toilets overflow, we can say we told you so. And when they install the "Back Flow", all that desease is going to be living in your walls and climb up in the drywall. Furthermore, the streets will overflow with the FECES - and with Crime until you get that we need to be more sensitive on all points and start speaking out against your own when they make these racist/imperial/privileged/entitled comments, as well as put their wants over our needs.
Rob Ramson
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Elise Bernard <elise.bernard@gmail.com> wrote:
Ugh, yeah. I was tweeting about this earlier. Even if people felt the tone of her email was off (because that NEVER happens with emails), the response was flat out insane.
I did appreciate this twitter response:We need to act like adults and not children. Is this why our kids act like they do?
@FrozenTropics#Ward5EliseOn Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Rob <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:
Living in Ward 5 id totally different from being part of Ward 5 community! Her expressions historicalky shows a very Immperial approach to life! This is about her and not understanding lots about the culture here and that she is not "Better".
But, sad as this is, I think that I am wasting breath with you. To me, it seems like you hate your own so I can' help you with that. It is beyond my earned and experienced "grade". I would choose Allison over you all day everyday as I don't sense hate in her.
You my dear "Ward 5 Community Member", "IS" a special case! I hope you get that this is not about residing in a Ward 5 Zip Code!Rob
On Sep 28, 2012 8:08 PM, "RobbyCU" <RobbyCU@yahoo.com> wrote:She is a part of our Ward 5 Community. You, nor anyone else is the gatekeeper. The we have differences, but we are in this together.___________________________________________
"In everything you do. Always be yourself"- Lee Hall, Billy Elliot
From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com; Ward 5 Google Groups <wardfive@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Hypocrites and Crypto Racism
Well Allison,I LOVE IT WHEN FOLKS LIKE YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN!!! My father used to say "the more you stir th KAKA, the more it STINKS"!!SOooooooooo, let's take another look at your email that you put forth!!Hazel,
Can you tell us how many vendors are at this farmer's market now? When I went a few weeks ago it was one farm stand and one art stand. What are the new vendors mentioned in the flyer?SO you get it.1. The fact that you said "NOW" when asking "how many vendors are at this farmer's market now" shows that your focus was not the Venors who are going to be at the event. The "NOW" changed the entire complexity of your "question". "NOW" sounds like that Imperial Approach like when CM CHEH got frustrated at Suliman Brown for not answering her questions over and over and over and over again. He was right by refusing to continue to answer the same stupid questions again like the answers were going to change.2. The fact that you were "dissappointed" the last time you went showed that you expected more and was trying to express that. WHICH YOU DID WITH YOUR INITIAL QUERRY!!! -- which is the point that everyone got and Mr. Peloquin very nicely pointed out.3. You SOUND CRAZY when you said "I figured I'm not the only one who went when it was quite small". Are you kidding me. How do you figure that you were the only one who went when it was small.
4. This 'new" approach is quite contrary to most all your other approaches that you have taken on issues on this listserv so unless you suddenly had a "Coming to Jesus" moment, I don't buy it and I am sure the rest of us get it.SO, allow me to tell you the approach - The fact that you have been there and knows that it is a small Market, then the approach would have been more exciting like - That is AWESOME Hazel. I am so looking forward to the new vendors that will be there ........You see Allison, this is no different than Linda Sun saying that the Mural on the side of my building was Ugly and then followed up with "I know what real art is".COME AGAIN WHEN YOU REALLY WANT TO BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY!! We would love to have you be "part of"!Rob Ramson
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 6:59 PM, allisonhstewart <allisonstewart@gmail.com> wrote:
> 6. mailto:dcluke@...?subject=Re%3A%20Hypocrites%20and%20Crypto%20RacismI imagine that if I had posted a question about where the market was located, I would have been vilified for not previously supporting it. Yet here I am and I've been to the market (have you?) and I'm vilified for asking questions. Since my question seemed very interesting to posters, let me clarify.
1. I want to know what vendors will be there. The flyer says 'new vendors'. That interests me.
2. I was disappointed by the number of vendors there last time, and thought Hazel could enlighten me on any new vendors since then as clearly stated on the flyer.
3. I figured I'm not the only one who went when it was quite small, and figured that if Hazel listed the new vendors on the listserv, it might spur other people to give it a second try as well.
I do not think that asking questions or posting on this listerv is racist (if it is, then you're all guilty.) Nor do I believe that expecting improvement of a small venture, over time, is racist, especially since the flyer itself lauded the improvement.
Not that anyone actually asked my opinion before jumping down my throat about my 'tone' and 'racism', but I think the farmer's market is a wonderful option for seniors and other community members those that lack mobility to go to Giant. And I hope that as it grows it will become an attraction for those outside of the neighborhood as well.
Allison> Luke ... I take your point. However, I must respectfully disagree.
> Your argument is rational surely. Your argument is also subjective (
> as is mine) I guess it depends upon ones perspective on what is
> happening here. . When, as an average white man, I read the comments
> on this list serve I see a pervasive and pernicious subtle and not so
> subtle racism. I see this same pattern in newly formed civic
> organizations. Older, more established groups are being by passed by.
> The new groups are largely made up on the newly arrived. There seems
> little interest in the "integration," of an existing organization. The
> issue is most obvious in the recent Rhode Island avenue social and
> economic structures.
>
> Yes, the tone on this list serve has become pointed on numerous
> occasions. That is because some of us choose not to be quiet and
> accept the status quo. Some of us choose to speak our minds on the
> issues. This is still a democracy of sorts ... many people fear
> controversy, many people would rather be quiet than speak out, many
> people will walk away and prefer to be bystanders. Many read and never
> comment. Many are simply timid. Thankfully there are a few who will
> not be cowed by admonitions of sshhhhh. I welcome your comments Luke
> but do not presume that I will be intimidated into some form of false
> civility. The issues are too important for that.
>
> I say let there be light. Let all sides be heard. This is America.
>
> Jerry in Affirmation
>
>
> ----- Original message -----> From: "[1]dcluke@..." <[2]dcluke@...>
> To: [3]ward5@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ward5] Re: Hypocrites and Crypto Racism
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:34:14 -0000
>
>
> 1) Not all of these "newcomers" are white. I live in the EYA
> Chancellor's Row development (adjacent to St. Paul's) and there are
> many black families who live there. We also have white families with
> children and even white people who have moved into the affordable
> workforce homes. I've spoken to most of my Chancellor's Row neighbors
> and have yet to meet a single one who is opposed to the Monroe Street
> Market.
> 2) Many wealthy black professionals have opted to move into the suburbs
> rather than live in historically black neighborhoods in DC. There are
> black homeowners who are selling their homes at a healthy profit and
> leaving for the quiet suburban life. Not everyone who is leaving DC is
> pushed out by gentrification. Many people leaving the city are
> exercising their right to live in a community that they believe is most
> suitable for their families and they should be able to do so without
> being labeled "sellouts" or "Uncle Toms."
> 3) For years, the lack of development in Ward 5 was decried as a form
> of racial discrimination. That development is finally here. When we
> have mixed use developments, an arts district, a more diverse
> socio-economic mix, more shopping and dining, it will be harder to make
> Ward 5 the dumping ground for DC's undesirable or experimental
> projects, such as medical marijuana.
> I support Monroe Street Market and believe that it will enhance the
> quality of life for our neighborhood. Instead of the ugly concrete
> dorms and litter strewn vacant lots that existed before construction,
> we will have shopping, dining, and a vibrant arts community. I am
> hopeful that the enhanced lighting and public presence will serve to
> decrease violent crimes in the area.
> As for McMillan, the priority needs to be resolving the flooding in
> Bloomingdale and making certain that the congestion on North Capital is
> addressed.
> 4) The "racism" label is bandied about much too freely by some in our
> community. I have no idea who Allison Stewart is and what her motive
> was in asking her question, which seemed innocuous enough. But I can
> tell you that some people are reluctant to even engage on this listserv
> because they will be harassed and harangued and called names. We will
> not be able to have a productive conversation when every slight, real
> or perceived, is taken as a sign of racism, crypto-racism, self-hatred
> or whatever. Let's pull back on the name calling and focus on the
> issues.> References> --- In [4]ward5@yahoogroups.com, jeromepeloquin@ wrote:
> >
> > Citizen's of Ward Five
> >
> > It is my belief that this Yahoo Group needs to perform a deep and
> > comprehensive examination of conscience (A uniquely Catholic
> concept).
> > We should look into our collective hearts and ask ourselves, are we
> > part of the solution or part of the problem? We need to consider the
> > entire Ward 5 community and not just Edgewood, or Brookland or,
> > whatever! We need to realize accept and yes, celebrate the cultural
> > and social differences that are the basis of a plural culture such as
> > we are blessed to have here in Washington DC. We need to come
> together
> > ... not pull apart. People in Brookland need to be concerned about
> > the people in close proximity to McMillan and the McMillan folks need
> > to care for what happens to the resident adjacent to 901 Monroe.
> >
> > The last few years have been fraught with strife and conflict. Many
> of
> > us opted for development at any cost. Anyone who used the term,
> "Smart
> > Development," was branded a reactionary. As a result the developers
> > and the large land owners (CUA, The Paulists) have been able to
> > abrogate almost every agreement made in their one-sided, takeover of
> > the center of Brookland. CUA was allowed to "warehouse," and tear
> down
> > decent housing and sit on it for years waiting for this moment to
> "cash
> > in." All of the religious orders who were given property here in
> > Brookland are now getting ready to follow their lead. The result will
> > most likely be devastating to this community.
> >
> > The divide between the long time largely African American community
> and
> > the new, largely white, upward mobile young marrieds and others is
> > growing and becoming very uncomfortable. This is especially evident
> in
> > some of the rhetoric used on this List serve here in Ward 5. I am
> > speaking specifially about the comments made about the nascent
> farmer's
> > market being developed. Hazel Thoma is working diligently to create a
> > farmers market, This is not an easy task. It took the Brookland
> > Market a long time to get it together. I know because I used to play
> > drums there when it was at Col Brooks Mansion. Only in the last year
> > or so has it really taken off. Persistence is a key and Hazel has
> that
> > for sure. Instead of supporting her, Allison Stewart asked a
> > rhetorical and pointedly snide question, implying that Hazel's new
> > farmers' market was too small and lacking resources!
> >
> > I don't know about you folks but I think that is an obvious insult to
> > Hazel and to this community in general ... there will no doubt be
> loud
> > cries of ... Oh, no, I just wanted to know who would be there this
> > week! Ms. Stewart's comment is an obvious and obnoxious attempt at
> > sarcasm, an attempt to belittle the efforts a long time community
> > activist and exemplary citizen who is trying to improve the quality
> of
> > life in this community! AND ...it ain't right!
> >
> > I'm signing off for now, but I'm not done!
> >
> > I'll be back!
> >
> > Jerry in Indignation
> >
>
>
>
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