First - glad that was a slip.
I still don't see why Tiger Woods shouldn't feel offended. Last I understand his response years ago was that he was inclusive of his mothers heritage in describing his ethnicity.
So you know, I would be proud of my daughter including both my and my wife's ethnic identity!! As a matter of fact, I insist on that inclusiveness from her or I will be offended. She must know and appreciate both of her heritages. That's why at age 4, she dresses in East Indian outfits when she plays in her African Drum performances. It sure wouldn't make her less African American / Black nor should she be made wrong for including my East Indian / Black heritage. I hope you get that!!
Last, there is no game nor I wasn't showing off at all - I just didn't and still don't get your rationale and wanted to and still want to meet you - but rest assure, I won't be chasing you down. I am sure we will eventually meet. As for the group - just wanted some clarity on the "Monkey" comment (thanks) and I am proud that of the fact that of the very few Blacks (relative to the overall PGA) who get the opportunity to play golf or even professional golf - that he has dominated the sport in less time as a professional than anyone.
So you get it - similar but not equal to President Obama being a Black President of United States, Tiger Woods is a symbol of hope towards possibilities that exist in a very racist society, ie the time spent having to discuss the racist use of the term "Fried Chicken" and why kids are subject to the imagining that often affects their psyche
It is easier to find me than me look for some arbitrary Black Man on the route you described. Extend yourself sometime. Obviously you are not offended by my curiousity!!
Rob
On May 23, 2013 9:48 PM, "Tony Humphries" <ubalt@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Rob,
Play games with the others... I dont care what you think. I WROTE and stand by my words. Da heck with Tigre and his convenient blackness. I consider Tiger black about as much as Tiger considers himself black.
Yeah that was a slip MONEY was my intent NOT monkey. You have heard black ppl call black ppl MUCH worst - - or do you NOT live in DC (call me suspicious but really) nor have cable tv.
Tiger's money is not my concern (I dont think he's overpaid) but I do think Ryan Zimmerman is... and Ernie Grundsfeld too.
I said why I feel the way about the men named what more do you need?
I drive up R St NW to 4th St NE to drop my kids to school, then back over to RI Metro parking garage top level most days. Then ride the RED LINE down town. Anytime you wanna MEET me - thats my route. When the CHIPOTLE open, I be the one that never orders but they some how KNOW what I am getting -- yes I will be a REGULAR!!
Rob, IndianRob, Mr Ransom.... take this offline cause showing off for the GROUP is unbecoming.
Tony Humphries
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:33:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Re: [WardFive] A "Fried Chicken" Course
SO --I would be interested on why you feel that way about Bonds, OJ and Barkley but more immediate -- I am interested in this statement first;"but the PGA makes too much monkey off that Tiger to have him feeling 'insulted'".1. I can't imagine any "slippage" of fingers on typing the word "monkey" instead of "Money" and I can't imagine an African American Using the word "Monkey" to describe Tiger Woods -- so, what the _______?2. Obviously Tony Humphries feels that Tiger Woods is overpaid but I still can't imagine that any African American would feel that he is being paid too much to be offended by a racial insult against him as a African American/Black Man -- especially when the same pay is up for grabs if White Golfers win as much as he has and still is.I would like to meet you to see who you really are? Call me suspicious and concerned!!Rob Ramson
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Tony Humphries <ubalt@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sergio apologized cause the MEDIA made it a big deal.
He has to the play the PR game too.
I view Tiger as I do OJ, Barry Bonds, and Barkley -- CONVENIENTLY BLACK when the time fits.
RACE is a bait that we all BITE AT, not cause its intelligent or logical, but cause it WORKS. (See this past election, gentrification, and the economic disparage within this City).
Sergio SHOULDNT have had to apologize, but the PGA makes too much monkey off that Tiger to have him feeling 'insulted'.
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:48:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Re: [WardFive] A "Fried Chicken" Course
Wendy,Regardless of how Tiger viewed himself as he tried to include his Mother's Culture,1. What Nationality do You view Tiger Woods to be?2. What Nationality do you think that most of the World identify Tiger Woods as?Why the apology. If Sergio didn't believe that his comment was wrong, why did he lose sleep, was sick to his stomach? Maybe he just realized that his comment was racially linked.Rob
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Wendy Lewis <wendy_lewis2@yahoo.com> wrote:
You crack me up!!I thought I was the ONLY one!I went to bed last night annunciatingCablonasian------- um where was the African American in there!???
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Is tired of Tiger Wood's conveniently BLACK when 'fried chicken' is mentioned.
I know whites, asians, middle easterners, and mongoloids that LIKE chicken.
What makes friend chicken racist IF we all eat it?
The Colonel didnt get rich off black folks buying his food.. neither did Popeyes nor GINOS, HOLLY FARMS, etc.
So please stop crying over chicken....
Tony
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 23:42:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [ward5] Re: Re: [WardFive] A "Fried Chicken" Course
Good Morning:I saw this vid on FB and other places. I understand the purpose, but I don't understand the presence and the motive behind it going viral at this moment in time. While we're looking at this video, it is a revelation or a distraction.Is this video rising on it's own like stem from a volcano, or is it being pushed or hoisted up for us to have a conversation, perhaps even a meaningful one, while those pushing or hoisting can do what they do while we're distracted quixotically.-Robby___________________________________________
"In everything you do. Always be yourself"- Lee Hall, Billy Elliot
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:37 PM
Subject: [ward5] Re: Re: [WardFive] A "Fried Chicken" Course
No Jerry, you're not to be laughed at and Rob is not to be attacked for exposing this truth. This is the same experiment that Charles Hamilton Houston, Thurgood Marshall, Spottswood Robinson, and other members of the NAACP legal team conducted in the 1940's to build the cases that led to the famous Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas case, the Supreme Court decision which established that "separate" is inherently "unequal". Radio talk show host Joe Madison puts it this way: "We are ALL culturally conditioned to believe that white is superior (e.g. angel food cake, the bride's gown, the harmless little white lie, etc.) black is inferior (e.g. devil's food cake, funeral dresses and suits, the evil black lie, etc.) and the manifestation of that cultural conditioning is that black people are undervalued, underestimated and marginalized."
This mass inferiority complex is a deadly disease and like any disease, it has to be recognized and diagnosed before it can be treated and cured. Thanks to both of you for having the courage to discuss this honestly.
Bradley A. ThomasOn 05/22/13, Jerome J. Peloquin<jeromepeloquin@fastmail.fm> wrote:--Friends ... I have to weigh in on this, I have no choice, as Rob has placed this squarely into the ongoing debate on tacit racism that exists everywhere and of course here in Brookland. This is not about being good, or being bad. It is not about conscious decisions (except in a few cases) it is about the pervasive attitudes and perceptions that are ingrained in our culture, attitudes and opinions that we hold because media, or social environment, and our role models have placed them there. How could we not? Anyone born in before the civil rights act and for many, many years thereafter (and ...it still goes on ie; Fuzzy Zeller) has been inundated with meda, movies, TV. popular culture, blatant racism at all levels of our society.I am a caucasoid mongrel: French, German, Irish, Scotch (at least that, and who knows what else, Poodle maybe? ) yet, like the dolls in the short video ... I AM WHITE. Those attitudes we saw were being expressed by young black children ...what would happen if they were white children? It that video does not open your mind to the power of years of conditioning (mostly unconscious but conditioning none the less) then nothing else I, or anyone else can say will open your mind and heart to the facts as they are objectively presented to you.I don't beieve Rob is attacking us for being racists. He is reminding us that racism in an inherent part of our lives and personalities and that some will take advantage of that to push their agenda. It is in the black community as well ... remember, those babies were black! How sad is that? We must stay observant, watch our language as the language of racism is subtle ...I don't expect a response here. I expect some will read this and other will laugh at me ...truth is I really just wrote this for my own conscience and to remind me that racism is in me and I need to strive always to cast it out.Jerry on Lawrence----- Original message -----From: Rob <indianrob@gmail.com>To: "ward5@yahoogroups.com" <ward5@yahoogroups.com>, Ward 5 Google Groups <wardfive@googlegroups.com>Subject: [WardFive] A "Fried Chicken" CourseDate: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:47:07 -0400Good Afternoon,What has really changed over the last 20 years from Fuzzy Zeller's Racist towards Tiger Woods. Sergio Garcia (pro-golfer) said he wasn't even aware of the "fried chicken" comment made years earler by Fuzzy Zeller, but somehow has the same thought process of what is "customary food" fit for a African American. Can the remark be anything but racist? And does that same thought process reside within many other cultures towards African Americans. From an East Indian Perspective, it does for the most part and this "fried chicken" comment is only the tip of a huge iceburg!!!!In light of the Sergio Garcia remarks about inviting Tiger Woods to dinner and serving Fried Chicken, I am sharing a very sad but real video of how imaging from a subliminal to visual perspective starts at a very young age. From a larger perspective, how does this imaging manifests even in a most professional arenas and in mature adults. Do we ignore this or just live in denial?Just imagine how many attacks our black kids suffer (throughout their day) on their self image simply because they are Black. Then our kids are expected to perform equal to with subpar environmental, educational opportunities, dietary and financial support or reinforcement. Even at a basic level of building a Futuristic Middle School here in Brookland -- we build an "art" school for our under-performing kids, we refuse to even understand how important it is to properly provide a Football/Soccer Field for our children to recreate; Sub-Par to say the least!!After viewing the video, no one should ever argue subsidizing our children in any way.
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