I just wanted to make sure that you have taken a look at all the statements and see that they all left out the Possibility of any wrong doing on the "Plaintiff's" behalf. I simply asked the questions why this girl was acting in this manner and why are everyone responding like no outside variables on the husband's behalf occurred. If it was me, I would have posted on this and not my just my wife. I would have at least jumped in and said that I did nothing. The amazing thing is that you asked "What could the husband possibly have even done to "deserve" this"? Let me tell you that if the Husband did do something like said something racist or almost hit the girl for crossing the street too slow, or to use your word "ACCOSTED her in anyway, lets remember that she was attacking his vehicle during her reaction!! That is destruction of property!
So, I have 8 HIGHLY Educated and Righteous RAISED blood sisters, much more righteous than you can ever imagine - so stand in line. Hear me when I say - I am sure that some of you women have reacted violently by grabbing something, hitting or throwing at your husband or boyfriend sometime between 15 and present age! Even though you are so perfect now, Or maybe you have forgotten. Should we arrest you as well!! Of course, you were justified but whatever you picked up was a weapon just the same or what you did is still classified as violent! Unless All of you are ANGELS!! How is this any different to a Youth in a depressed area/environment with the educational and unhealthy challenges that is constantly occurring, her Bad reaction or even unsolicited action while definitely wrong - needs to be addressed at the core!
But of Course, what does a "bad bad" man like me know other than these occurrences will only increase if WE don't address them with. Who knows, all this conversation and being open and the young girl could have just been on Drugs or just picking on this White Family. Who knows? The one thing it shows that some of us are open to hearing both sides and others not as open. Maybe some growth will occur.
Now to some other issues - What you and many others seem to want is that I receive all the condescending floral language with open arms. Well, I ain't the one. So you need to talk to all the rest about their tone so as not to elicit a response from this "bad bad" man. I don't respond kindly to people who insult my intelligence and the intelligence of so many in our Ward. I love the people who support me and have laid the path for the many freedoms that I enjoy and this is one of the ways that I am appreciative of all that has been done by them for this generation. That's why Books are written and Classes like Afro American Studies are offered. That's Why people sacrificed their life knowing that it would one day make a difference to where most of us could live in a place that would be "MORE EQUAL"?
Like I said, let's have that forum and start discussing how people in this community really feel about the "perfect" language" that is used on this internet and throughout the community to try to make the rest of us seem like we are STUPID and incapable of making decisions for ourselves. I and others hear exactly what our "wonderful neighbors" are saying. This is no different in calling me "invective" and "flaming" when I addressed all the Crap and Wrongful things against the Cafe and Me being a "drug dealer, Pimp and .........." But of course, I should take that with a smile. Yet, none of you who are condemning me now has ever condemned the Padous, Feeley and the rest. Imagine the hate that occurred for 3 years but all that was OK with you and now you protest the Cafe - Laugh!! How Racist and Prejudice you are? Do you even care how many families it cost them their income and their Christmas? Of course not! I bet if we were White, the Cafe would already have outdoor seating because only Blacks "serve alcohol outside of where is not legally allowed and of course, only Blacks drive Cars and need Parking, and only Blacks run a "after hours spot", seedy operation, W**re House and shouldn't be able to utilize a back door attached to a Inn! Did I ever share that Manomale is ran by two young White Men and have gotten a liquor license within 6 months with NO PARKING and about to get outdoor seating WITH NO PARKING!! Interesting isn't it!! You don't see the Crime there??
Never once have I seen any of you admonish any of the folks who commit those crimes! But - I guess you don't see the knives/malice/hate that is involved in that either. It was cool when this 901 developers was abusive to the adjacent neighbors and to our agreement with OP. But then somehow never doing anything to this Shameka Brown and to all you "boycotters of the Cafe", I am a "bad bad" man. Go Figure. So you know, the reason that the Cafe is quiet is because I have temporary/permantly lost "friendships" because I don't tolerate much stupidity in or around my building! Same with all the blocks that I live on. How about I lost a budding and respected friendship because I saw an Young Black Man drinking almost every day and addressed that! Jerry was present at 1am on Saturday Night when I risked my life just to make Reel in a "threatening" African American Male who stepped out of line (who had an entourage of about 6 with him) - not much different than I have to Reel in some on this internet who do hide behind their Computers. But Wonderful People like you allow the Tom's of the world to THREATEN me and SAY nothing. Isn't that so nice and "neighborly" of you! What about his Violent TONE!! Like I said, trust and believe me when I say that MANY in Ward 5 share the exact feelings that I state on this internet and making me wrong makes them all wrong. But of course, what is quite "CLEAR" to you few White responders, the rest of us just don't have the education to see for ourselves"!! As for the 1 - Shameka Brown - I am still waiting on why I am a "Bad Bad man! Don't see any of you asking her that question like I don't see any of you asking Shannon Marshall why she thinks that the Husband may have some more to share!
The fact that anyone can say that I am "blaming" the victims" is idiotic. Until we know what happened, our only concern is the safety of that family. Which is what the Police did. Like I said, had the police made an arrest that evening, there might have been some repercussions for that family. From a Criminal Justice Training and perspective, it was good to detox the situation and let things calm down, gather information and then follow up.
As for me - let's have that Forum and I will show you and the rest of my "haters" how you have wronged me and wronged this community in MANY more WAYS for failing to stand for justice so many other times. Let's have that Moment of Truth! See how many attend and I bet you I wouldn't even have to say 1 word in my defense but you know I will as I want to embarrass you to the point that we all become equal humans so that we can fight against the same crimes to society together and make a difference! Let's not pick and choose just the Black Crimes or just the Black CM's! If you want to share compassion, let's share compassion across the board. So you know, silence from my many supporters is the HIGHEST of REGARDS - an ACCOLADE that boycotting the Cafe and Inn can't purchase!!
"Silence when one should protest, makes cowards of men. (A. Lincoln) So I refuse to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death!! (M. Gandhi)
Rob Ramson.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jessica Christy <jessicac7867@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,I'd suggest that you look at the tone, emphasis, and language of your responses to the people regarding this specific issue. It is clear to me and several other people on this list serve from your own responses that you are blaming the victims not merely asking questions. If you do not want people to believe this is your intention then look at your own responses to Shannon to understand why and what you can do to change this perception. Your response to me was significantly more measured, but still gives the impression that it was the husband who "started" this.Community Buildingly Yours,JessicaHello Jessica,
There are couple things at hand here:
1. You and maybe others actually think that I think that the husband or this family DESERVES this type of behavior!! So, I will add that to the list of things that I get blamed for!
2. You and others failure to want to believe that there could be an act of some sort that this could have been a reaction to something - a bad reaction, but a reaction never-the-less.
3. You and others sick idea that I blame the victim. Maybe you didn't read properly, but burglary, robbery, and let me add rape, etc are non instigated crimes. Something like this could have added variables.
But I want you to rephrase your question and ask Shannon Marshall the same question that you are asking me as she obviously admitted that the Husband could have more to share. Maybe the rest of you can ask her the same question.
As to me accosting victims, I am glad that the family is safe but I still wonder why this happened. If me asking questions is accosting, then the police will be accosting soon to get to the bottom of it.
DON'T forget to ASK SHANNON the same question - be fair!!!
RobOn Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Jessica Christy <jessicac7867@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rob,What could the husband possibly have even done to "deserve" this? Your blame the victim mentality does not help in any way. Please stop accosting people who are victims of crimes.Jessica on 17thHello Rob, if you'll notice from this excerpt from my email, I included a caveat in my post.
I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally appalled.
It was just a more succinct way to let you know that "my reaction does leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all crazy."
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Rob <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:Hello Shannon,
Are you not at all concerned WHY THIS YOUNG GIRL IS REACTING THIS WAY? Let's look at these statements from the wife and think about it;
- "We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted, were in possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do about it?"
Are they all "Crazy"?Which group of youth does this?? No youth waits on the police to arrive - they usually run!!
- "while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing rocks at our house".
- "my children are now asking me why bad people don't get in trouble. Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?" No one can answer that until we know why the young Girl reacted in the manner she did. I know that lots of people share this sentiment - you should really ask your husband why! For sure if my wife came home and a woman was at our house stabbing my vehicle, and others are stoning my house, She would be asking me some serious questions!!! But as sure as Terri is willing to tell her kids about these "Bad People", I hope if it turns out that her husband did something to this "girl" then Terri should be willing to tell her kids about what their Daddy did.
But Shannon, just tell me that your reaction does leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all crazy.
RobOn Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Shannon Marshall <shannon.hughs@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd also like to know where this occurred. The fact that pepper spray has to be introduced as an option because the police did not handle this in a way in which the residents felt safe, is such a sad reflection of the protection we've been promised/paid for.
I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally appalled.I have a 21 month old daughter. If I came home to that and my husband was not home, what would my choice be? Run to take her inside (so she'd be alone) to address the issue? Do I entertain the idea of my own concealed weapon? Or do I just fight back while holding a baby?I truly appreciate the efforts of so many of the law enforcement officers in the city. Personally, I do not support Cathy Lanier, so I have serious doubts about any direction that she gives her officers. Though I do have faith that a large majority know how to conduct their jobs with the upmost professionalism.Sadly, you have to make the instant decision to get your kids in the house safely, or confront them. Of course you are going into your house, but in doing so, you expect the DCPD to resolve the matter with appropriate discipline.Even MY MOTHER would have disciplined me with greater intensity (MUCH MORE INTENSITY) than it seems like the officers did in this case, with these offenders.I hate that I have to consider a mindset of "protection" from my neighbors rather than the enjoyment of meeting and socializing with all of them. Who would be comfortable with that if they hear that police are called, yet the officers do more to excuse bad behavior than they do to to deter a pack mentality that forces needless destruction and intimidation onto neighbors for whom they likely do not even know?So sorry to hear Terry, and please keep us updated as this evolves. Thankful that your family is safe.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Derek Swanson <biglobstah@gmail.com> wrote:Sounds pretty scary! What part of the neighborhood did this occur? Brookland hardware sells pepper spray; you and your husband might consider buying a can or two.Best Regards,
Derek SwansonOn IrvingSent from mobile phone.Captain Solberg,A 16 year old female with a concealed weapon (a pointy, serrated steak knife) just repeatedly stabbed my husband's truck. The girl and the mob of people with her didn't know my husband was in the yard. He yelled at her and asked her what she was doing. She came towards the fence with the knife out. Then, while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing rocks at our house.When the cops showed they initially didn't believe my husband that the girl had a knife. They searched her and found it in her possession. They spoke to her, but did not detain or arrest her. Please help me understand why police found someone with a concealed weapon, menacing and defacing someone's private property and they just released her like that? Or a large group of them threatening us and stoning our house and they just told them to move along?I came home with my young children in the middle of the police speaking with the girl. I was verbally accosted while I shuffled my kids into the house. The advice I was given was to not engage with them so that it doesn't escalate. I simply came home and was called all sorts of racial slurs- all in front of the cops. I don't know how I can do less to engage that just quickly walking into my house. We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted, were in possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do about it? We were told to call if they do it again. I guess we just wait until things get "really" dangerous?Having witnessed the tail end and hearing about the weapon my children are now asking me why bad people don't get in trouble. Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?
Terri Nostrand
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