What difference does that Make to me and what I said? What am I missing here. Can you give me a line that I have written that needs your validation or you talking about you and your child's African American heritage. And by the way, if Shannon is White - not because she is a mother of "part African American child" is enough to validate her. Hell, if she is Black, my words stand even harder!! But since you have described you and your son, I am going to conclude that she must be White. Like I said, either or What difference does that make to me. If you read my words, you will see exactly what I am saying.
So you should get it - unless I and many of us in this community get satisfactory information, we are not going to totally condemn the 16 year old girl and the rock throwers other than agree that the knife aspect is wrong. We are going to give her her RIGHTS like the POLICE did until there is enough evidence. Hell if the husband did do or say something or have been racist to the youth, I would understand why they threw the rocks at him - doesn't make it right but I would understand the WHY of it. And that is what I am and have been asking WHY did she do what she did?
By the way, not because one can trace their lineage back to kings, makes you have the ability to rule. You telling me that you were African American is almost enough to tell me that your lineage links back to slaves - not stopping at freed slaves. But I guess that you wanted to share how Black you are. Cool with me. My daughter is Black (African American and East Indian) and she and I already have a grave site in a family graveyard that is Circa 1760 - my African American Wife's family - so our families have something in COMMON!! How about That!! But thanks for the clarification - Maybe you can teach me something about this Freed Slave stopping point of your lineage.
I am listening.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Eric Marshall <mshall77@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob, my wife Shannon has been emailing with you. I am of African-American and Jewish decent. My ancestors can be traced back to freed slaves. I currently work at a civil rights organization and have dedicated my life to furthering the cause of racial justice. Again, Shannon, who you have been emailing with is my wife. Shannon's 20 month old daughter (my daughter), the one I don't get to see enough of because I spend well over 12 hours a day doing civil rights work, is part African-American.
I just wanted to add some perspective because it appears you have jumped to a number of false conclusions. My wife and I are going to spare everybody else on this list any further back and forth and will not be responding further.
Apologies to all on this list, but I felt the need to clarify things.
Eric Marshall
mshall77@gmail.com
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Rob <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:You sound really challenged here. Is there a group of (20) White youth running around throwing rocks at a house and a White 16 year old Girl Stabbing a Truck saying racial slurs on 10th and Evarts? Am I missing something or you just clueless? And if it was White 16 year old girl, I am willing to bet that many of you would be asking the same question that was brought up and that I initially asked!!
A. And by the way a "drug dealer" and the rest of crap is what some idiots in this community have been calling me for 3 years.
B. And a "Monkey" is a primate closely related to a human that has not evolved into a HUMAN. And if I/We allow these same neighborly neighbors of mine/ours along with some of the "progressive newcomers" have us believe, many of us are "too stupid"/not evolved to figure out anything for ourselves.
A+B=C
C. That's being a "Drug Dealing Monkey" is!!! - at least that is what you and the rest would like everyone to believe of me! Well, I don't sit around and scratch my head and my a** and look to you or ones like you for direction. I ain't the one and I won't allow your brainwashing to occur and there is a lots of us over here who are very intelligent as well who thinks that something might be missing from the report so far!
Why don't you dispute my diagnosis of your flawed writing so that you can send me another "Caveat" that doesn't exist!!
RobOn Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Shannon Marshall <shannon.hughs@gmail.com> wrote:
This response lacks any sort of constructive contribution to the original issue.You mention several times how proud you are of your fairness and kindness. Though throughout this thread, you are the one that has introduced comments like "drug dealing monkey" and that people are only now paying attention because mobs of teenagers are throwing rocks at White people's houses. I don't know the people involved in this incident, so I couldn't comment on the race of either.It stood out to me that you brought that into your argument, for which, I could only conclude that you must know Terri, since she was the plaintiff and it was her house hit with rocks. If you know her, why didn't you just ask her about the version of events? If you do not know her, why would you assume she is White?The rest of your email is basic gobbledygook, that I chose not to spend time deciphering. I don't even know what a "drug dealing monkey" is. So, per your example, I'll just look it up in the ol dictionary and post it somewhere for folks to reference.That said, I'll unsubscribe now to this posting, because it's gotten way off track. Terri, thank you very much for sharing and keeping us updated. I appreciate your sharing, and very happy that your family is safe. As with other posts shared by neighbors, I've learned new things, and appreciate the constructive conversation that helps us to make our community safer.On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Rob <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:Hello Shannon,
Thanks for now including that the husband may know something that he is not telling. Much appreciated.
Now as to your "succinct" way of expressing "I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally appalled", I can only surmise from this that you were referring to the Officers Lack of "appropriate" response as to Terri's charge of no real response/ramification of someone having a "concealed weapon, stabbing a vehicle and others stoning a house"! Everything in what you said in those two sentences had to specifically/singularly do with the police's reaction (inclusive to "and with no disrespect"), your support of the existence of good policing (thank you) and Terri version of the Knife, rock racial slurs incident! Nothing you said referenced the possibility that her husband may know something that he is not telling!
The word "Version" in your statement references the one side and only those events listed by Terri actually taking place. So you know, by definition (see below)Version | Define Version at Dictionary.com
a particular account of some matter, as from one person or source, contrasted with some other account: two different versions of the accident.
My apologies for not being as SUCCINCT as you but as this "drug dealing " "monkey" swings on the education vine, my brain is obviously not fully evolved as yet to discern your abridged version of the English Language. Today, I only able to read Babboonese. Orangatanese, Gorrillese, and other related dialects so forgive me if I read what was written and not your mind! My mistake as I should have recognized and adjusted.
Now, as to the location - it occurred around 10th and Evarts.
It is a shame that NOW, we have neighbors concerned about an angry Mob of Rock Throwers led by a 16 year old Girl with a knife who may be "going through the neighborhood stabbing vehicles and throwing Rocks at White People's houses. Had the story been written more fair that "........ incident happened to us and no real action taken by police on scene because we were incorrectly blamed for .............. against the 16 year old Girl wielding a knife", then the story becomes more believable. But Youth sticking around for the cops to show, this just didn't add up with the "innocent" way it was reported.
Like I explained today to someone, if this was a robbery or a break in or something that is in the obvious non-provoked category, then I wouldn't be asking those questions. So even though this could be non-provoked, it seems strange. Anyone not on that wavelength of thought needs to align their brain to default to finding out more and not automatically suggesting "pepper spray" or becoming alarmed about a "mob" stabbing of their vehicle and stoning their home!
Like I said, glad everyone is physically OK. It is quite possible that this happened with no provocation but as I initially asked, "What was the reason for this 16 year old coming after this man and his truck and throwing rocks at the house"? "Maybe Terri will share that since she included us into her life"? At least tell us what the accusation was if there was one? Crucify me for wanting to know if there are missing variables to the story!!
Last, remember me telling everyone that we need to fully focus our infrastructure on creating an educational/recreational/job environment to encourage our youth/returning citizens to be able to at least understand Geometry and Algebra on their way to being able to be qualified to earn a decent wage; increasing pride and being able to provide for their family. These types of reactions will be at an increased occurrence when the brain is less functional from lack of education and opportunity (obviously not to say that educated minds don't get to this level of anger as well). At least, let's focus on lowering the Ratio of occurrence.
Rob RamsonOn Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Shannon Marshall <shannon.hughs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Rob, if you'll notice from this excerpt from my email, I included a caveat in my post.I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally appalled.It was just a more succinct way to let you know that "my reaction does leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all crazy."
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Rob <indianrob@gmail.com> wrote:Hello Shannon,
Are you not at all concerned WHY THIS YOUNG GIRL IS REACTING THIS WAY? Let's look at these statements from the wife and think about it;
- "We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted, were in possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do about it?"
Are they all "Crazy"?Which group of youth does this?? No youth waits on the police to arrive - they usually run!!
- "while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing rocks at our house".
- "my children are now asking me why bad people don't get in trouble. Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?" No one can answer that until we know why the young Girl reacted in the manner she did. I know that lots of people share this sentiment - you should really ask your husband why! For sure if my wife came home and a woman was at our house stabbing my vehicle, and others are stoning my house, She would be asking me some serious questions!!! But as sure as Terri is willing to tell her kids about these "Bad People", I hope if it turns out that her husband did something to this "girl" then Terri should be willing to tell her kids about what their Daddy did.
But Shannon, just tell me that your reaction does leave room open that the husband may know something that he is not telling just like some of us will leave room open that this 16yr old Girl and 20 others are just all crazy.
RobOn Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Shannon Marshall <shannon.hughs@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd also like to know where this occurred. The fact that pepper spray has to be introduced as an option because the police did not handle this in a way in which the residents felt safe, is such a sad reflection of the protection we've been promised/paid for.
I know several DC law enforcement officers personally, each of whom I have the highest respect. If they haven't heard about this (and with no disrespect) if these are the actual version of events, I assure you that they would be equally appalled.I have a 21 month old daughter. If I came home to that and my husband was not home, what would my choice be? Run to take her inside (so she'd be alone) to address the issue? Do I entertain the idea of my own concealed weapon? Or do I just fight back while holding a baby?I truly appreciate the efforts of so many of the law enforcement officers in the city. Personally, I do not support Cathy Lanier, so I have serious doubts about any direction that she gives her officers. Though I do have faith that a large majority know how to conduct their jobs with the upmost professionalism.Sadly, you have to make the instant decision to get your kids in the house safely, or confront them. Of course you are going into your house, but in doing so, you expect the DCPD to resolve the matter with appropriate discipline.Even MY MOTHER would have disciplined me with greater intensity (MUCH MORE INTENSITY) than it seems like the officers did in this case, with these offenders.I hate that I have to consider a mindset of "protection" from my neighbors rather than the enjoyment of meeting and socializing with all of them. Who would be comfortable with that if they hear that police are called, yet the officers do more to excuse bad behavior than they do to to deter a pack mentality that forces needless destruction and intimidation onto neighbors for whom they likely do not even know?So sorry to hear Terry, and please keep us updated as this evolves. Thankful that your family is safe.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Derek Swanson <biglobstah@gmail.com> wrote:Sounds pretty scary! What part of the neighborhood did this occur? Brookland hardware sells pepper spray; you and your husband might consider buying a can or two.Best Regards,
Derek SwansonOn IrvingSent from mobile phone.Captain Solberg,A 16 year old female with a concealed weapon (a pointy, serrated steak knife) just repeatedly stabbed my husband's truck. The girl and the mob of people with her didn't know my husband was in the yard. He yelled at her and asked her what she was doing. She came towards the fence with the knife out. Then, while waiting for the police to show, things got uglier because the group started to swell in size to about 20 kids and they began throwing rocks at our house.When the cops showed they initially didn't believe my husband that the girl had a knife. They searched her and found it in her possession. They spoke to her, but did not detain or arrest her. Please help me understand why police found someone with a concealed weapon, menacing and defacing someone's private property and they just released her like that? Or a large group of them threatening us and stoning our house and they just told them to move along?I came home with my young children in the middle of the police speaking with the girl. I was verbally accosted while I shuffled my kids into the house. The advice I was given was to not engage with them so that it doesn't escalate. I simply came home and was called all sorts of racial slurs- all in front of the cops. I don't know how I can do less to engage that just quickly walking into my house. We have a mob of youth that essentially just rioted, were in possession of at least one deadly weapon and what are we supposed to do about it? We were told to call if they do it again. I guess we just wait until things get "really" dangerous?Having witnessed the tail end and hearing about the weapon my children are now asking me why bad people don't get in trouble. Can you please tell me so that I can give them an answer?
Terri Nostrand
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R. Ramson
3744 12th Street, N.E.,
Washington D.C., 20017
202-438-5988
"We must become the change we want to see" - Mohandas Gandhi-
(Together, for a Brighter Tomorrow)
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R. Ramson
3744 12th Street, N.E.,
Washington D.C., 20017
202-438-5988
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