Rob,
First off that is the issue all you chose to do is speak on it and that is the problem. You say no and have no real alternatives but as we have seen this is your MO. Secondly, no one stated or implied in any way, shape or form other than you that I was the only one who has limited resources and time but. Further your argument for actually digging up something (Constitution Avenue between the White House and the Capital) which isn’t/wasn’t part of L’Enfant city would be impossible because that is under the control of the Federal Government but as usual in your haste to try to make yourself seem all knowing you shown your true colors. Even funnier is the fact that Constitution Avenue doesn’t actual run to the White House which just further proves how outlandish and preposterous your statement is. Outside of that I’m not going to waste time responding further and helping to pollute this wonderful medium with mindless social banter.
Eric J. Jones, MSF
P Please consider the environment before printing this email.
From: wardfive@googlegroups.com [mailto:wardfive@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:31 AM
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com; Ward 5 Google Groups
Subject: [WardFive] Re: [ward5] Examiner: "Spingarn's new historic status creates hurdles for streetcars, schools"
Eric,
You are not the only one that have limited resources and time. Please trying to sound so "functional". Maybe we should just do what is most easy and do nothing about the things that makes no sense to US. If this doesn't bother you, then you have more time for whatever you feel is important to YOU. WE choose to speak on this because it is IMPORTANT TO US!!!
So, here is an alternative -- we should dig up Constitution Ave and put tracks and UGLY wires for a Trolley and put a Trolley Barn on the lawn of the Capitol and the White House because they have lots of space and more people travel between those points than will ever travel on H Street. Maybe we won't have to SUBSIDIZE that part of the line.
So just like we don't place a Trolley Barn on those locations (The White House and The Capitol) is the same reason we don't utilize our School Property at such a Perfect Location for a REAL FUTURISTIC CAMPUS for something as mundane and menial as a Trolley Barn just to house and fix TRAINS. I hope you can get that even the dumbest of dumb people should be able to understand that!!
Now we have suggested many other places but it does not fit within the "time frame" that the horrible planners have left and they are just too lazy to go through the proper process to make their ill planned and ill prioritized TROLLEY mistake a reality.. We as a community shouldn't have to "take one" (saying it lightly) because they SUCK and are just HORRIBLE PLANNERS.
Now, if you don't have something positive to help us convince them (all of the idiots involved) that they need to re-think this, then you should just use your resourses for what you can do -- be consistant with the thoughts you put forth to make yourself so "awesome". I have told you time and time again, you are much better than this -- please get off of your knees - it is embarassing.
And by the way, we can improve the interior of Spingarm without having much if any Historic issues and the land can be used for anything that is School Related. Now, if we can only find an option to "Historic Designation" / Slow up the School Closings until we have the proper planning done and not have the Swallow the Unsequenced and Unplanned approach to "fixing" our School issues. That is another example of an Idiotic Approach -- No wonder we are the WORST in Graduating our youth from High School -- it is impossible for me to be in charge or second in charge for 6 years and not focus on the most important fact of learning and pride and truancy -- the ABILITY of a CHILD to READ!!
Rob Ramson.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Eric J. Jones <ejjones.threed@gmail.com> wrote:
KPW,
Stuff bothers me daily and I try to spend what tine and resources I have available to deal with them. As far as who we should let figure stuff out they already did. They said put it at the school and now folks are saying no without giving an alternative.
Stephanie as it relates to your comments they have done so prior to going through the RFP process and letting the contract as I'm sure you are familiar with from your days in the Wilson Building.
My issue is however that we as a ward continue to just say no. I agree that a small group can accomplish a great deal but we have to get back to accomplishments and not just saying the terms stop, no and don't.
On Nov 30, 2012 8:45 AM, "stephanie rones" <stephanierones@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, here's a hint, I suspect that the City cannot go forward with building the streetcar barn unless the City:
1. Has done an economic impact statement and has identified in the budget the 2.5 billion needed to build the trolley and the car barn. This comes under the anti-deficiency budget act.
2. The City has to do an environmental impact statement.
3. Opponents to the car barn should take cues from the Ivy City Law suit and perhaps join the suit against dumping. Pay attention to the agrument for ANC great weight and notice provisions.
Citizens against the barn should not be led to believe that they cannot prevail.
I repeat, A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead
I always ask, "why can't they catch the bus like the rest of us?"
From: "scott@scott-roberts.net" <scott@scott-roberts.net>
To: "izens should not ward5@yahoogroups.com" <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Examiner: "Spingarn's new historic status creates hurdles for streetcars, schools"
I will agree with Stehanie here.
At yesterday's HPRB hearing, there was discussion of expanding the landmark designation of just the Spingarn school building itself to a "campus," which would include nearby schools.
Do I think that the pursuit of a "historic district of schools" would result in the denial of the carbarn facility next to Spingarn? No, I don`t.
I think that the carbarn facility -- whose exterior design will need HPRB approval -- will get built in any event.
That doesn't mean that the community should halt its interests in challenging the carbarn.
I just think that the landmark designation of the school building itself -- while meritworthy, for sure -- won't kill the carbarn project.
From: stephanie rones <stephanierones@yahoo.com>
To: "ward5@yahoogroups.com" <ward5@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Examiner: "Spingarn's new historic status creates hurdles for streetcars, schools"
I agree that the Historic Preservation Decision is not a bar to the city's determination or ability to build the car barn at this site. Opponents need to reload and execute for round two.
From: Eric J. Jones <ejjones.threed@gmail.com>
To: ward5@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ward5] Examiner: "Spingarn's new historic status creates hurdles for streetcars, schools"
This will add several roadblocks to not only program but also possible upgrades to the actual school. In addition it will also increase cost and add more delays to the time it takes to do a project.
In the end unfortunately this wilk drive up cost and only delay the project which will eventually only go through.
On Nov 30, 2012 7:45 AM, "scott@scott-roberts.net" <scott@scott-roberts.net> wrote:
I don`t think that this Washington Examiner story from last night has been posted here to the Ward 5 list yet.Local: TransportationSpingarn`s new historic status creates hurdle for streetcars, schoolsNovember 29, 2012 | 8:00 pm[http://washingtonexaminer.com/spingarns-new-historic-status-creates-hurdle-for-streetcars-schools/article/2514730#.ULipZeTAepL]The District`s Spingarn Senior High School was designated a historic landmarkThursday, putting into question the start date of the city`s streetcar line andpotentially limiting the scope of the school system`s plans for the site incoming years.The DC Historic Preservation Review Board added the 60-year-old school to its listof historic sites after a request from the Kingman Park Civic Association,which has opposed plans for a trolley barn on the Northeast D.C. campus offBenning Road. That means the board gets to review any proposed changes to thesite to make sure the work done to the school`s exterior or its surroundinggrounds is compatible with the building`s character.The designation likely means another delay for the city`s streetcar system becausethe trolley barn is needed first to store and maintain the cars. DC PublicSchools could be limited in making substantial changes to the site for futureprojects, including a planned vocational school there.The H Street-Benning Road streetcar line was most recently slated to begin in late2013, after facing years of delays. But the city shied away Thursday fromsetting any start dates for the car barn construction or the subsequentoperation of the streetcars.``We really just cannot speculate right now because we don`t know how long theprocess if going to take,`` District Department of Transportation spokeswomanDara Ward said after the decision. ``Much of it is going to depend on howquickly we can get the Historic Preservation Review Board to sign off on thedesign.``The District`s car barn plans already have been shown to the historic preservationoffice. ``We think the design needs some work,`` said David Maloney, the statehistoric preservation officer.The earliest the review board could view any revised plans would be late nextmonth, but Ward said she isn`t sure if the plans will be ready then.Meanwhile, DCPS officials announced earlier this month that they want to close Spingarnand reopen it in a few years as a career and technical education school whosestudents could be trained at the car barn`s proposed training facility. Theinterior of the school probably could be updated without review, but changes tothe existing exterior that require building permits -- or any new construction-- would need approval.DCPS spokeswoman Melissa Salmanowitz noted that the historic designation will be afactor in what happens in coming weeks but may not have major implicationsimmediately as the vocational plan is not concrete. ``The specifics of whatthat would look like is not squared away,`` she said.But Maloney notes that the new historic designation is not a roadblock. It isdesigned to preserve the site but also make sure that it continues to beadapted for modern uses.``We`re not saying, `No, no, no, don`t change anything,` `` Maloney said. ``Just makesure you maintain compatibility with the character of the site.``Examiner Staff Writer Lisa Gartner contributed to this report.Kweir @ washingtonexaminer.com
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